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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#131

Honest question since I don't really know how reddit works: Why can't reddit just forcefully re-open the subs that have been taken private? Mods are using powers given to them by the platform and I don't get why they are not being stripped of (some of) those powers.

Taking an authoritarian approach might just cause even more noise for even longer. I think Huffman would like a war of attrition instead. Eventually mods will feel powerless because the execs won’t budge, and denying the community access to the subreddit will cause more problems than it appears to solve.

> Eventually mods will feel powerless because the execs won’t budge, and denying the community access to the subreddit will cause more problems than it appears to solve.

Frankly, the mods can just quit permanently. It’s an Internet forum, not life and death for them. There are so many other things that they could be doing with their time. Heck, I reckon it would be better for their mental and physical health in the long run if they quit doing internet janitor work and drop the perpetually online lifestyle - at least I believe that’s a requirement to effective moderate a fairly active subreddit.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#132

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Bollocks. Tumblr is still around and probably has been losing money for longer than people here have been alive. No one is throwing away the kind of audience reddit has. Now the CEO might lose his job, but let's not get that twisted up with Reddit's survival.

Brian Lunduke back in 2019 when Reddit took $150 million from Tencent basically said that Reddit would be a company in trouble with in 5 years. His argument was that it shouldn't cost that much to run the place and as such they would have to start pleasing investors and not users. The argument was that you can buy an obscene amount of storage and bandwidth for only a fraction of the money they were raising. It is eve…

Reddit was clearly selling itself to VCs as the next Facebook while not bothering to understand the culture of the content, moderators, and audience on their site. From what headlines I've seen about Reddit's acquisitions and marketing spend I get the impression they were a money furnace that deluded themselves into thinking they were innovating.

Now that the money printer is out of paper, investors are banging on the door, and the people on the other side of that door are panicking. It turns out a bunch of nerds and aficionados piping text through your servers does not equate to a hundred-billion-dollar business, and trying to force the issue will only make things worse.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#133
post #71

Is there something counter-intuitive about reddit that makes it hard to monetize? That's the core issue. Reddit still makes barely $1/user/month while instagram makes $35. Cutting off the 3rd party apps is a cost-cutting move, not a revenue-generating move. Why haven't they managed to find more revenue? I'm loath to say it but Huffman has had a decade to solve this and hasn't. Might be time for new leadership with ne…

> Is there something counter-intuitive about reddit that makes it hard to monetize?

There is - it makes little sense to buy ads, when you can buy comments.

https://xkcd.com/1019/

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bollocks. Tumblr is still around and probably has been losing money for longer than people here have been alive. No one is throwing away the kind of audience reddit has. Now the CEO might lose his job, but let's not get that twisted up with Reddit's survival.

Brian Lunduke back in 2019 when Reddit took $150 million from Tencent basically said that Reddit would be a company in trouble with in 5 years. His argument was that it shouldn't cost that much to run the place and as such they would have to start pleasing investors and not users. The argument was that you can buy an obscene amount of storage and bandwidth for only a fraction of the money they were raising. It is eve…

Yeah, they would probably do very well with news agency revenues, but the investors want Google/Facebook revenues.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#135
post #22

It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one, he could compromise a bit by at least expanding the deadline on the pricing changes, but instead he decides to provoke and double down. The leaked internal memo, which is obvious that would leak (after all it is a 2,000 person company) is a clear provocation: > We do anticipate many of them will come back by Wednesday, as many have said as…

I love this bit: > While the two biggest third-party apps, Apollo and RIF, along with a couple others, have said they plan to shut down at the end of the month, we are still in conversation with some of the others. And as I mentioned in my post last week, we will exempt accessibility-focused apps and so far have agreements with RedReader and Dystopia. What is the term for when there's a worker strike and instead of e…

Strike breaking

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#136
I think a different approach would work better at this point.

They need to stay up but use their subreddits to publicly plan Reddit "exits" for each community. Subreddits should start polls on where migrate to (discord, lemmy, mastodon, etc etc), and then start systematically cross posting anything posted to their subreddit to the new space, with comments turned off on the Reddit version.

The key in a negotiation is to have a crystal clear, realistic picture of the other party's constraints, motivations and ethical framework. In this case, it's clear Huffman has hard constraints around making Reddit profitable. He could easily do it by reducing headcount but that itself would defeat the purpose because it would devalue the IPO (who wants to buy a shrinking company?). He clearly has no moral or ethical compulsion here. So there isn't another option than to threaten what really matters to him: it has to be made real for Huffman that he's going to lose this if he doesn't budge. The only thing that will convince him is actually seeing users permanently leave.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#137

Honestly, I'm enjoying it. Most of my smaller subs are active. A couple of the bigger ones I'm subbed to are active without moderation, and people are saying they enjoy it more. What I'm not seeing are all the bad news headlines, political gotchas, and click bait that make me frustrated. I've just realized I should have unsubbed to most of these places a long time ago.

Would be amazing to see /r/news, /r/worldnews, /r/politics, et all, active without moderation.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#138

Couldn't the Reddit software engineers manually force subreddits to become public at any time? Why don't they do that?

There was the time the CEO got caught editing users' comments critical of him.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-stev...

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#139
post #64

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Enough with the ChatGPT already. If you didn't write it, don't post it.

There really should be some law or adage coined for this by now.

No one wants to hear GPT's opinion because it doesn't have one.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#140
post #83

Reddit's moderators are holding people hostage. This just shows how the small group of powerhungry mods acts. I hope reddit finds a solution that serves its users who provide the content.

I'm the creator and mod of a sub with 25K users. A post was made by one of the users asking whether we should participate in the balckout. I didn't notice a single comment that said no. Apparently it's tough to get human beings to agree on anything.
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