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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#52

Couldn't the Reddit software engineers manually force subreddits to become public at any time? Why don't they do that?

Well you'd need to suddenly find an entire group of people to replace the existing moderators

It can't be that hard to scrounge up another batch of part time dog walkers can it? Surely?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#53

Honest question since I don't really know how reddit works: Why can't reddit just forcefully re-open the subs that have been taken private? Mods are using powers given to them by the platform and I don't get why they are not being stripped of (some of) those powers.

They can be forcefully re-opened at any time. Based on the internal memo, they don't appear to be taking this seriously enough to warrant that kind of action.

Isn't there also a worry of harming their brand / reputation irreparably?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#55

Honest question since I don't really know how reddit works: Why can't reddit just forcefully re-open the subs that have been taken private? Mods are using powers given to them by the platform and I don't get why they are not being stripped of (some of) those powers.

The king can always order the protestors killed, but he prefers not to because of the potentially destabilizing second-order effects. Similar with reddit -they can, and maybe they will at some point, but... will the new mods be similarly difficult, embarrassing them and compounding the problem? Will the new mods be less competent or have new and different ideological vendettas, causing other problems? etc. Easier to just wait for them to back down for now, particularly since reddit basically holds all the cards.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#56
The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations.

The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps.

What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's ability to profit from this was a disguise created by free money.

With any luck twitter/reddit/facebook/et al. will disappear in favour of their "corresponding wikipedias" --- which is the model, I think, all the "platform creators" thought they were participating in.

There needs to be new alliances between volunteer-platform-creators and volunteer-content-creators

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#57
For those that don't want to cross the picket line to read:

On May 31, 2023, Reddit announced a policy change that will kill essentially every third-party Reddit app now operating, from Apollo to Reddit is Fun to Narwhal to BaconReader, leaving Reddit's official mobile app as the only usable option; an app widely regarded as poor quality, not handicap-accessible, and very difficult to use for moderation.

In response, nearly nine thousand subreddits with a combined reach of hundreds of millions of users have made their outrage clear: we blacked out huge portions of Reddit, making national news many, many times over. in the process. What we want is crystal clear.

Reddit has budged microscopically. The announcement that moderator access to the 'Pushshift' data-archiving tool would be restored was welcome. But our core concerns still aren't satisfied, and these concessions came prior to the blackout start date; Reddit has been silent since it began.

300+ subs have already announced that they are in it for the long haul, prepared to remain private or otherwise inaccessible indefinitely until Reddit provides an adequate solution. These include powerhouses like:

    /r/aww (34.1m)
    /r/music (32.3m)
    /r/videos (26.6m)
    /r/futurology (18.7m)
Such subreddits are the heart and soul of this effort, and we're deeply grateful for their support. Please stand with them if you can. If you need to take time to poll your users to see if they're on-board, do so - consensus is important. Others originally planned only 48 hours of shutdown, hoping that a brief demonstration of solidarity would be all that was necessary.

But more is needed for Reddit to act:

    Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact” and that the company anticipates that many of the subreddits will come back online by Wednesday. “There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well,” the memo reads.
We recognize that not everyone is prepared to go down with the ship: for example, /r/StopDrinking represents a valuable resource for a communities in need, and the urgency of getting the news of the ongoing war out to /r/Ukraine obviously outweighs any of these concerns. For such communities, we are strongly encouraging a new kind of participation: a weekly gesture of support on "Touch-Grass-Tuesdays”. The exact nature of that participation- a weekly one-day blackout, an Automod-posted sticky announcement, a changed subreddit rule to encourage participation themed around the protest- we leave to your discretion.

To verify your community's participation indefinitely, until a satisfactory compromise is offered by Reddit, respond to this post with the name of your subreddit, followed by 'Indefinite'. To verify your community's Tuesdays, respond to this post with the name of your subreddit, followed by 'Solidarity'.

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The community's list of demands:

    API technical issues
    Accessibility for blind people
    Parity in access to NSFW content
API technical issues

    Allowing third-party apps to run their own ads would be critical (given this is how most are funded vs subscriptions). Reddit could just make an ad SDK and do a rev split.
    Bringing the API pricing down to the point ads/subscriptions could realistically cover the costs.
    Reddit gives the apps time to make whatever adjustments are necessary
    Rate limits would need to be per user+appkey, not just per key.
    Commitment to adding features to the API; image uploads/chat/notifications.
Accessibility for blind people

    Lack of communication. The official app is not accessible for blind people, these are not new issues and blind and visually impaired users have relied on third-party apps for years. Why were disabled communities not contacted to gauge the impact of these API changes?
    You say you've offered exemptions for "non-commercial" and "accessibility apps." Despite r/blind's best efforts, you have not stated how they are selected. r/blind compiled a list of apps that meet users' access needs.
    You ask for what you consider to be a fair price for access to your API, yet you expect developers to provide accessible alternatives to your apps for free. You seem to be putting people into a position of doing what you can't do while providing value to your company by keeping users on the platform and addressing a PR issue. Will you be paying the developers of third-party apps that serve as your stopgap?
Parity in access to NSFW content

    There have been attempts by devs to talk about the NSFW removal and how third-party apps are willing to hook into whatever "guardrails" (Reddit's term) are needed to verify users' age/identity. Reddit is clearly not afraid of NSFW on their platform, since they just recently added NSFW upload support to their desktop site. Third-party apps want an opportunity to keep access to NSFW support (see https://redd.it/13evueo).
Please also note that not all NSFW content is just pornography. There are many times that people seeking help or sharing stories about abuse or medical conditions must also mark their posts NSFW. However, even if this were strictly about porn, Reddit shouldn't take a stance that it's OK for them but not any other apps, especially when demanding exorbitant fees from these 3rd part devs.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#58
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It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one, he could compromise a bit by at least expanding the deadline on the pricing changes, but instead he decides to provoke and double down. The leaked internal memo, which is obvious that would leak (after all it is a 2,000 person company) is a clear provocation: > We do anticipate many of them will come back by Wednesday, as many have said as…

What is “our teams are on it” in this context? PR or media influencing? What could teams mean here and what do they do?

It would probably refer to both media-facing PR efforts and direct negotiations with any powermods or app developers who are willing.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#59
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Okay but I’m not clicking on Reddit links as part of the boycott, so why are we posting updates there?

What? You're personally not clicking on Reddit links and expect the world to not post Reddit links? Just don't click on them.

The parent is saying that the canonical source of the protest should probably not be on the platform being protested.

I mean, thats just sensible, especially given u/spez has previously modified user comments on the site with the intent to deceive.

Giving them clicks now is the inverse of what we are trying to do anyway.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#60

I read the comments and many are in this vein: "Agreed, moderators with a power complex are the worst thing about this site. Don't even care about this API crap." Never realized mods were so disliked. I thought the blackout sent a message+got coverage, but don't like subreddits extending it without consulting their users. I use reddit about 5-10 minutes/day so I don't care either way.

It's possible that the comments are legit, but it's interesting how many of the comments in the Moderator Coordination subreddit are from people who hate mods have have newish accounts. Considering Reddit has edited comments critical of the CEO in the past AND that reddit is known to use fake accounts to simulate engagement, I'm a bit skeptical (the fake account thing was how reddit got it's start, but they're still doing it in 2023 to populate non-English subs with shitty machine translations of popular English threads)
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