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Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by Ekaros »

edandersen wrote: post #28
kneebonian wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know your crystallized something I've not quite been able to put my finger on. Is that a good thing? I mean sure someone was able to produce code that they probably don't understand to do things they want but what are they going to do when things change or the environment changes or something breaks and they need to debug it. The ability for lay users to generate code is terrifying for me not because of any conce…

More work for consultants and clean up crews.

Hmm, so as someone working in security testing and finding basic access control lacking in multi-user systems I do not have anything to fear for long time.

Not to even mention subtler bugs...

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by hutzlibu »

Ekaros wrote: post #39
moomoo11 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried removing your brain and trying again? Jk but I feel like i have to really try hard to sound “dumb” when I ask gpt4 to do anything complex. If I put any words that are kinda technical or specific it ends up misunderstanding completely. I think because we are highly technical it’s like diminishing returns for us. For a total noob it’s like opening Pandora’s box. We are gonna have a ton of shitty insecure…

And this is my biggest fear with whole thing. We end up deploying good amount of actually critical code that is either wrong or subtly wrong and then we aren't going to fix it soon enough.

So currently we are only shipping rock solid code?

That would be news to me.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by bern4444 »

nkuttler wrote: post #34
tomohelix wrote: post #13

I have seen someone who know absolutely nothing about a language and barely able to write a script using Python managed to build a full automation pipeline for data analysis including a GUI using ChatGPT in that language. So while I agree that some of the hype are overblown, there is clear and irrefutable proof of the value and power of AI right now. Unlike crypto...

Somebody who knows absolutely nothing about a language can also copy and paste together a working solution. I'd trust that about as much as something ChatGPT spit out.

Is it not mind blowing that someone who doesn't know how to code or at least doesn't write code professionally is able to still produce something valuable that improves their daily life through code?

We spend so much time building tools with code that other people can use to write code - ITTT, Airtable, Retool etc.

Now we can cut out these middlemen!

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by chaxor »

rcme wrote: post #32
tomohelix wrote: post #13

I have seen someone who know absolutely nothing about a language and barely able to write a script using Python managed to build a full automation pipeline for data analysis including a GUI using ChatGPT in that language. So while I agree that some of the hype are overblown, there is clear and irrefutable proof of the value and power of AI right now. Unlike crypto...

That's interesting because I feel like I can't make ChatGPT do anything useful for me.

It's likely that it's because you have specific design principles in mind, whereas if you don't know about design in programming you will be blown away that you can copy/paste commands and something works.

Otoh, if you want a function in less than 100 LoC that performs a complete download/parse/process/transform process to a Qdrant DB and makes this available on IPFS, using producer consumer queues, as few intermediate files as possible, allows starting/stopping caching, and multiprocessing where possible, you may have a a harder time. However it can still be enormously helpful to get the structure for this pretty close, with a few internet lookups to find appropriate packages to help out.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by afavour »

bern4444 wrote: post #27
kneebonian wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know your crystallized something I've not quite been able to put my finger on. Is that a good thing? I mean sure someone was able to produce code that they probably don't understand to do things they want but what are they going to do when things change or the environment changes or something breaks and they need to debug it. The ability for lay users to generate code is terrifying for me not because of any conce…

> I mean imagine if people start to use this to replace excel. Shudder Or what if this has the same effect that excel did - give everyone access to a tool that dramatically improves efficiency and capability. What used to take someone a day now takes a minute and that frees up that person to either become exceptionally more efficient or to focus on more interesting or useful work. I also believe that one next step fo…

There’s a fundamental difference: Excel is knowable. If you want to find how it came up with a number you can click on the cell and see the formula. Not so with ChatGPT. You ask it to do a thing, it does it somehow. You ask it to do 100 rows of calculations, how can you know row 69 is correct? That ChatGPT corpus might lead it to think the number 69 is funny so it puts in a joke number. Yes, stupid contrived example but how can you know it won’t?

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by chaxor »

gedy wrote: post #3

I guess I don't follow what these software companies would do long term being "all in" on AI. Training AI on your personal files, writing docs for you, etc really seems like no moat. (Unless the big companies push for AI "regulation" or "safety" that only they can afford to sell). Seems more a good play for hardware than software sellers.

... are robotics not at all even on the horizon of your thoughts process? The work from Voyager seems like an early PoC there already. Many hurdles of the past have been leaped over with ease lately in that area, so it's a glaring error to overlook it.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by moomoo11 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #42
Ekaros wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is my biggest fear with whole thing. We end up deploying good amount of actually critical code that is either wrong or subtly wrong and then we aren't going to fix it soon enough.

So currently we are only shipping rock solid code? That would be news to me.

I mean, obviously not, but we are experienced (more important, because we actually understand CS, computers, networking, etc. at least the competent engineers anyway) and knowledgeable enough to have robust testing, monitoring & observability and alerting, and mitigation strategies in place.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by djvdq »

vitorgrs wrote: post #29
ravst3s wrote: post #10

I don’t believe him when he says he uses Bing Chat. Bing chat sucks now. All it does is generate SERPs instead of encapsulating information.

First, use Creative/Precise. Second, use /no-search or #nosearch and it won't search and will give proper GPT4 "offline" answers. But anyway, the internet search is pretty useful, it's one of the few things from Microsoft that I expect that he might use (that and Office).

For me, a non-American, Bing Chat is totally useless. Every time I wanted it to help me with a search for some country-specific thing, no matter if I ask it in English or my language, it returns results about the USA.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by moomoo11 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #40
moomoo11 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried removing your brain and trying again? Jk but I feel like i have to really try hard to sound “dumb” when I ask gpt4 to do anything complex. If I put any words that are kinda technical or specific it ends up misunderstanding completely. I think because we are highly technical it’s like diminishing returns for us. For a total noob it’s like opening Pandora’s box. We are gonna have a ton of shitty insecure…

Yes, you have to ask dumb, but still include the right buzzwords. I used it succesfully for generating some math functions, that I could have done myself, but in longer time. And friends of mine use it for .. producing text. Because they don't like writing and surprisingly many people don't. So for me I am faster writing it myself, but I happen to like it and do and did it a lot. But for other people it is actually p…

Nice. I mostly use it for generating data, or getting high level general information about topics.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by djvdq »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #33
dsign wrote: post #26

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This! There is a kafka-esq nature to all Microsoft products.

And this is why you all this panic from congress, openai and their assorted fronts. Llama open source 'rewrites' ( I am not sure if it can be really called that ) allowing models to run on local machines without making it safe for the masses or without careful monitoring.

Non restricted Llama is not worse than restricted GPT-4 in MS hands. These are just different risks.
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