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Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by rcme »

gedy wrote: post #3

I guess I don't follow what these software companies would do long term being "all in" on AI. Training AI on your personal files, writing docs for you, etc really seems like no moat. (Unless the big companies push for AI "regulation" or "safety" that only they can afford to sell). Seems more a good play for hardware than software sellers.

Really? All I see is moat for the first mover. How will these models improve in the future? They'll collect more training data, of course, and use that to improve the model. But now that's the cat out of the bag, how will companies collect untainted data? Google will certainly have a hard time determining what has and has not been generated by ChatGPT. But will OpenAI have such a problem? OpenAI has the ability to record all ChatGPT responses and use that to clean new training data. OpenAI's models will continue to get better, while others without the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff will languish.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by rcme »

tomohelix wrote: post #13

I have seen someone who know absolutely nothing about a language and barely able to write a script using Python managed to build a full automation pipeline for data analysis including a GUI using ChatGPT in that language. So while I agree that some of the hype are overblown, there is clear and irrefutable proof of the value and power of AI right now. Unlike crypto...

That's interesting because I feel like I can't make ChatGPT do anything useful for me.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

dsign wrote: post #26
haolez wrote: post #15

Until they ruin it with ads and defects, as Microsoft usually does with its products.

This! There is a kafka-esq nature to all Microsoft products.

And this is why you all this panic from congress, openai and their assorted fronts. Llama open source 'rewrites' ( I am not sure if it can be really called that ) allowing models to run on local machines without making it safe for the masses or without careful monitoring.

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Post by nkuttler »

tomohelix wrote: post #13

I have seen someone who know absolutely nothing about a language and barely able to write a script using Python managed to build a full automation pipeline for data analysis including a GUI using ChatGPT in that language. So while I agree that some of the hype are overblown, there is clear and irrefutable proof of the value and power of AI right now. Unlike crypto...

Somebody who knows absolutely nothing about a language can also copy and paste together a working solution. I'd trust that about as much as something ChatGPT spit out.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by moomoo11 »

rcme wrote: post #32
tomohelix wrote: post #13

I have seen someone who know absolutely nothing about a language and barely able to write a script using Python managed to build a full automation pipeline for data analysis including a GUI using ChatGPT in that language. So while I agree that some of the hype are overblown, there is clear and irrefutable proof of the value and power of AI right now. Unlike crypto...

That's interesting because I feel like I can't make ChatGPT do anything useful for me.

Have you tried removing your brain and trying again?

Jk but I feel like i have to really try hard to sound “dumb” when I ask gpt4 to do anything complex.

If I put any words that are kinda technical or specific it ends up misunderstanding completely.

I think because we are highly technical it’s like diminishing returns for us.

For a total noob it’s like opening Pandora’s box. We are gonna have a ton of shitty insecurely running code soon.

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Post by SkyPuncher »

rcme wrote: post #32
tomohelix wrote: post #13

I have seen someone who know absolutely nothing about a language and barely able to write a script using Python managed to build a full automation pipeline for data analysis including a GUI using ChatGPT in that language. So while I agree that some of the hype are overblown, there is clear and irrefutable proof of the value and power of AI right now. Unlike crypto...

That's interesting because I feel like I can't make ChatGPT do anything useful for me.

This has been my experience as well.

I suspect I'm mentally blocked from understanding how to use it snippets at a time. I just can't think that way as a dev.

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Post by ozten »

nkuttler wrote: post #34
tomohelix wrote: post #13

I have seen someone who know absolutely nothing about a language and barely able to write a script using Python managed to build a full automation pipeline for data analysis including a GUI using ChatGPT in that language. So while I agree that some of the hype are overblown, there is clear and irrefutable proof of the value and power of AI right now. Unlike crypto...

Somebody who knows absolutely nothing about a language can also copy and paste together a working solution. I'd trust that about as much as something ChatGPT spit out.

Somebody who knows absolutely nothing don't know what to search for to end up on the correct stack-overflow to copy and paste.

If they know what result they want, they can iterate with an LLM as the guide.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by Ekaros »

moomoo11 wrote: post #35
rcme wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting because I feel like I can't make ChatGPT do anything useful for me.

Have you tried removing your brain and trying again? Jk but I feel like i have to really try hard to sound “dumb” when I ask gpt4 to do anything complex. If I put any words that are kinda technical or specific it ends up misunderstanding completely. I think because we are highly technical it’s like diminishing returns for us. For a total noob it’s like opening Pandora’s box. We are gonna have a ton of shitty insecure…

And this is my biggest fear with whole thing. We end up deploying good amount of actually critical code that is either wrong or subtly wrong and then we aren't going to fix it soon enough.

Re: Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella: All-In on AI for Future Success

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Post by hutzlibu »

moomoo11 wrote: post #35
rcme wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting because I feel like I can't make ChatGPT do anything useful for me.

Have you tried removing your brain and trying again? Jk but I feel like i have to really try hard to sound “dumb” when I ask gpt4 to do anything complex. If I put any words that are kinda technical or specific it ends up misunderstanding completely. I think because we are highly technical it’s like diminishing returns for us. For a total noob it’s like opening Pandora’s box. We are gonna have a ton of shitty insecure…

Yes, you have to ask dumb, but still include the right buzzwords.

I used it succesfully for generating some math functions, that I could have done myself, but in longer time.

And friends of mine use it for .. producing text. Because they don't like writing and surprisingly many people don't. So for me I am faster writing it myself, but I happen to like it and do and did it a lot. But for other people it is actually painful to structure a long email or product description. They are happy for AI helping them now.

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