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Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by pacetherace »

ammut wrote: post #119

The post by the Apollo dev made it sound like they had gone back and forth for a while before the final pricing was laid out. I wonder why reddit didn't come up with a price that worked for all parties. Isn't some money better than none + ill will from the community?

In the recent AMA, they claimed that the average cost per user would be around $1/month. Apollo dev believes it will be much more than.

I feel Reddit could have easily come up with a model where the API usage gets tied to premium account and that decouples apps from API charges.

Reddit has now created a new problem for itself which is that a huge user base that previously didn't bother to look at third-party apps has suddenly become aware of third-party apps. So now, they will start bypassing Reddit's official apps that generate revenue for Reddit in favor of third-party apps that seemingly have a better UX and are ad-free.

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Post by paxys »

ammut wrote: post #119

The post by the Apollo dev made it sound like they had gone back and forth for a while before the final pricing was laid out. I wonder why reddit didn't come up with a price that worked for all parties. Isn't some money better than none + ill will from the community?

I highly doubt a different dollar amount would have changed the outcome. Reddit wanted $2.50 per user from the Apollo dev. Would $2 have been more palatable? Or $1.50? Would the extra few cents per month really make the difference between a user subscribing or not?

The conversation is really only about free vs not free. Everything else is a smokescreen.

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Post by gardnr »

roody15 wrote: post #96

It seems that the end game of corporate controlled social media is for corporate interests to control what you read or watch. Happened with the feed of Facebook. originally was a true social network where you scrolled through what your family and friends posted. Now it is a algorithm designed to maximize attention and sell influence, Happened with YouTube. Used to be really pro independent user … now the search funct…

Have you checked out lemmy yet?

https://join-lemmy.org/instances

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Post by ink_13 »

raincole wrote: post #99
whatsuphotdog wrote: post #40

I love that the CEO calls the users voicing their displeasure "noise". When those users voice opinions on other things, it's called content. When those users voice their opinions against reddit, it's noise. Hoffman continues to display a fundamental misunderstanding of what Reddit is. The very people that give your platform its value are revolting against you, and you think it's noise. What's your product? What do yo…

My personal (cynical) bet is that Huffman actually understands what Reddit is better than us, and Reddit will be just fine after this. To be completely honest, if a two-day blackout is proven to be the most serious "protest" the community can do, I'll buy Reddit stock when it IPO.

If Reddit isn't going to value its communities, it's just going to turn into a clone of the bloated corpse of "I Can Has Cheeseburger", an endless stream of cat pictures and short videos, posted and reposted. High in traffic, maybe, but catering only to the lowest common denominator, stripped of the things that made it valuable to long-time users.

But that's probably fine with them. Reddit seems to have taken that the position that users are fungible, which (particularly when they depend on volunteer moderators) seems somewhat dubious to me.

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Post by aeyes »

willis936 wrote: post #172
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #20

I hope this unleashes a wave of tools that allow you to exfiltrate content from these systems and put them in longer lasting storage that can be searched even when the original goes down. Then we can just let all these services die every few years.

Tools don't seem very interesting. They already exist. I want a mirrored copy so I can find the information I want that was posted on reddit without having to visit reddit.

Try teddit.net

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Post by CoastalCoder »

linuxftw wrote: post #137
afavour wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I think that this is a turning point for Reddit but not towards failure: they’re ditching the hardcore nerd audience that made them. But they’ve long since outgrown that audience and will likely (as a company) do just fine without them. As a community there will be a notable loss.

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Why do you believe this?

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Post by AmericanChopper »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #124

If Reddit continues to double down on their mistakes, I wonder if they'll go as far as to forcibly reassign control of major subreddits in order to reopen them. They certainly have the technical capability to do so, although I'd expect such an action to result in a mass exodus from Reddit and a massive loss of trust. At the end of the day, Reddit has the final say over what goes on in their website, but playing that…

They can easily do that to the major subreddits without losing much trust at all. How many users do you think really care about the mods of /r/videos? I doubt very many. They should probably make the generic default ones like that admin moderated anyway. The amount of users who actually care about this is shockingly low. Something like 0.5% of users use third party apps? I saw surveys on subreddits with millions of subscribers about participating in this getting ~1000 votes in total. The number of users currently having their Reddit experience ruined by moderators far exceeds the number having their experience ruined by Reddit api changes.

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Post by clvx »

I hope Apollo is talking to several reddit competitors with a sustainable business model and working on integrations. At the end of the month, when they get shut down, they just rebrand the app with the new backend and everyone is happy. All users migrated to a new platform with new communities.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by jjulius »

paxys wrote: post #49

It will be interesting to see the eventual outcome of this saga. I have already seen backlash against the backlash in many subs. /r/NBA, which was mentioned in the article, had a poll one day before the blackout and made the decision based on 8000 votes (out of a total 8+ million members). Casual users were not happy to find out that they would have nowhere to discuss the most important game of the season, and the mo…

>Casual users were not happy to find out that they would have nowhere to discuss the most important game of the season...

... what? Reddit is absolutely not the only place to discuss an NBA game.

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