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Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by btown »

XorNot wrote: post #122
raincole wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My personal (cynical) bet is that Huffman actually understands what Reddit is better than us, and Reddit will be just fine after this. To be completely honest, if a two-day blackout is proven to be the most serious "protest" the community can do, I'll buy Reddit stock when it IPO.

Eh...the real problem with shutting down Apollo is that it makes the volunteer moderators lives much harder. Those are the people who provide any value to reddit as a platform. The protest could end today, the 3rd party apps go...and if the volunteer mods go with it, then the site as a whole tumbles onto a decline that eventually kills it.

Some of the things that volunteer mods defend against is bot spam, repost spam, karma mining, abusive comments, and brigading. Unless Reddit has AI solutions for all of these (not a real suggestion - it's an arms race against similarly-AI-using spammers, and if Reddit had the engineering culture of ByteDance then it would have already built the moderator tools people had been requesting since 2015!) then its niche and generalist subreddits alike will lose their culture and quality faster than one can blink an eye.

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Post by wingworks »

ammut wrote: post #119

The post by the Apollo dev made it sound like they had gone back and forth for a while before the final pricing was laid out. I wonder why reddit didn't come up with a price that worked for all parties. Isn't some money better than none + ill will from the community?

They don't want the money, they want the 3rd party apps gone, and for users to use the offical app.

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Post by EscapeFromNY »

justinclift wrote: post #113
ian0 wrote: post #72

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Thanks for this! Long time ublock user but never new about these filters

Same here, hadn't heard of them. Thanks. :) Just went in the UBlock Origin settings... and yep, there are 14 potential "annoyance" filters. Just turned them on an applied them. Lets see how it goes...

Most of those must be new additions. Whenever I set up a new browser I enable every list, and I only had 5 annoyance lists enabled. I'm glad I checked again!

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by bshipp »

latenightcoding wrote: post #93

I hope I’m wrong, but I do not believe the blackout will be effective. Mainly because there is not a clear alternative to Reddit.

Reddit was not a clear alternative to Digg, but it only took a short while for the transition to occur. it's not the consuming user base that needs to transition, but the moderators who are willing to manage subreddits and users who spend the time find and share content. If they move somewhere else because Reddit becomes too difficult to use, the rest will eventually follow.

Reddit itself isn't a terribly complex site to implement as is shown with the relatively small staff they have for a very large user base. Until relatively recently you could download the source code from Github and spin up an instance yourself. The actual "work" is being done by the unpaid moderators and contributors.

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Post by UberFly »

a2tech wrote: post #142
judge2020 wrote: post #117

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An influx of capital would be easier by making everyone pay $10/mo to access the API via third-party clients. Would still be unpopular but would mean people could still have the experience they want to see from reddit. but that's the issue - Reddit's been focusing on other forms of content only in the native Reddit app, like TikTok-esque live streams and promoted posts from subs you aren't subscribed to.

They have a $4/month product ALL ready that removes ads and gives you more features. Making that a requirement to use the API is by FAR the simplest and most profitable option. Its also more profit then they're proposing to get from their API charges

I would be fine paying a monthly fee to be able to keep using RIF. Reddit throwing up an iron curtain and thinking it'll ultimately end up benefiting them is such a head-scratcher.

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Post by tlear »

afavour wrote: post #121
raincole wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My personal (cynical) bet is that Huffman actually understands what Reddit is better than us, and Reddit will be just fine after this. To be completely honest, if a two-day blackout is proven to be the most serious "protest" the community can do, I'll buy Reddit stock when it IPO.

I agree. I think that this is a turning point for Reddit but not towards failure: they’re ditching the hardcore nerd audience that made them. But they’ve long since outgrown that audience and will likely (as a company) do just fine without them. As a community there will be a notable loss.

Who is going to mod it.. couple reddits that I follow daily are public again, however there are no new posts as mods stopped accepting anything.

I am genuinely curious how this is going to work going forward.

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Post by ibero »

thr_low_latency wrote: post #75
paxys wrote: post #49

It will be interesting to see the eventual outcome of this saga. I have already seen backlash against the backlash in many subs. /r/NBA, which was mentioned in the article, had a poll one day before the blackout and made the decision based on 8000 votes (out of a total 8+ million members). Casual users were not happy to find out that they would have nowhere to discuss the most important game of the season, and the mo…

Moderators _seriously_ underestimate how hated they are. At this point I'd rather the admins just take back the subs and let the voting system sort it out. Like how it did for the first 10 years of the site's life.

you or any other user could create your own subreddit. it’s not like reddit can’t discuss nba games.

there clearly is a gulf between people who actively wish to make it so and those who consume the byproduct of their effort.

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Post by smileysteve »

lokar wrote: post #154
pclmulqdq wrote: post #134

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I'm not so sure - I assume the hyper-valuable users are actually generally using 3rd party apps, so forcing them back on the platform could raise their CPI enough to look good at an IPO rather than terrible.

They have to be much less than 1%, I don’t t see how the math works. Views (and ad clicks) are what matter, not posts and comments. They only need the posts and comments to have something to stick an ad next to.

But the api doesn't deliver ads and the clients don't pay Reddit.

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Post by x86x87 »

latenightcoding wrote: post #93

I hope I’m wrong, but I do not believe the blackout will be effective. Mainly because there is not a clear alternative to Reddit.

If there was a clear alternative they would have not had the balls to try this.

For me the blackout was effective. I'm done with reddit. Fuck em

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