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Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by AmericanOP »

extr wrote: post #38

I don't really understand why it had to be this way. It's so easy to think of other ways this could have been handled. Even just announcing the same change with 6 months of lead time rather than 1 month would have gone over better. Or boil the frog and gradually introduce API restrictions. It's as if the CEO is purposefully being as belligerent as possible to rile people up.

A little crazy to me that Discord can create an attractive subscription tier while Reddit flounders.

Well, maybe not so surprising with their product team.

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Post by a2tech »

judge2020 wrote: post #117
CommitSyn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they're broke and reddit is soon to be bankrupt. But even so, if they had just said that, the outcome would be so much different. Because as of now it seems like they're fucking people over for the sake of fucking them over.

An influx of capital would be easier by making everyone pay $10/mo to access the API via third-party clients. Would still be unpopular but would mean people could still have the experience they want to see from reddit. but that's the issue - Reddit's been focusing on other forms of content only in the native Reddit app, like TikTok-esque live streams and promoted posts from subs you aren't subscribed to.

They have a $4/month product ALL ready that removes ads and gives you more features. Making that a requirement to use the API is by FAR the simplest and most profitable option. Its also more profit then they're proposing to get from their API charges

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Post by quickthrowman »

CSMastermind wrote: post #64

> A number of Snoos have been working around the clock, adapting to infrastructure strains, engaging with communities, and responding to the myriad of issues related to this blackout I find a CEO referring to their employees as 'Snoos' to be offputting personally. I'm sure it's meant to be a fun and inclusive term but the guy is sending out a pretty serious email that ends in, "I am sorry to say this, but please be m…

I also think it’s weird and infantilizing at best (patronizing at worst) to call your employees ‘Snoos’ or ‘Metamates’ or any such corponym (for lack of a better term), regardless of the context.

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Post by raincole »

afavour wrote: post #121
raincole wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My personal (cynical) bet is that Huffman actually understands what Reddit is better than us, and Reddit will be just fine after this. To be completely honest, if a two-day blackout is proven to be the most serious "protest" the community can do, I'll buy Reddit stock when it IPO.

I agree. I think that this is a turning point for Reddit but not towards failure: they’re ditching the hardcore nerd audience that made them. But they’ve long since outgrown that audience and will likely (as a company) do just fine without them. As a community there will be a notable loss.

> they’re ditching the hardcore nerd audience that made them

If it's just the nerd audience I'll bet Reddit win without thinking. But it's more than that: they're ditching some mods who rely on 3rd party apps, and some users who stay on Reddit for NSFW content.

So yeah, I still think Reddit will be fine, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by Terr_ »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #20

I hope this unleashes a wave of tools that allow you to exfiltrate content from these systems and put them in longer lasting storage that can be searched even when the original goes down. Then we can just let all these services die every few years.

FWIW, you can get an archive of your own content--a zip of CSVs--here;

https://www.reddit.com/settings/data-request

I used it last month when Reddit randomly ruined my 13-year-old account and everything I ever posted, so this recent set of blackouts just feels like icing on the cake. (In short: Some Kafkaesque process flagged my account as spam, I appealed, got an automated "it was a mistake, fixed" message, but it wasn't fixed at all, and now I can't contact anyone because the system falsely thinks my account is in already back to working-order.)

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by mkull »

q1w2 wrote: post #139
extr wrote: post #38

I don't really understand why it had to be this way. It's so easy to think of other ways this could have been handled. Even just announcing the same change with 6 months of lead time rather than 1 month would have gone over better. Or boil the frog and gradually introduce API restrictions. It's as if the CEO is purposefully being as belligerent as possible to rile people up.

Don't underestimate the power of ego. It causes irrational behaviors.

100% ceo ego driving poor, unsophisticated, and non strategic decisions. This could have been handled so much better. Evidence that he is not the right leader to be ceo

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by shortweb3 »

XorNot wrote: post #122
raincole wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My personal (cynical) bet is that Huffman actually understands what Reddit is better than us, and Reddit will be just fine after this. To be completely honest, if a two-day blackout is proven to be the most serious "protest" the community can do, I'll buy Reddit stock when it IPO.

Eh...the real problem with shutting down Apollo is that it makes the volunteer moderators lives much harder. Those are the people who provide any value to reddit as a platform. The protest could end today, the 3rd party apps go...and if the volunteer mods go with it, then the site as a whole tumbles onto a decline that eventually kills it.

This. Have you ever seen unmoderated Reddit, it’s called 4chan.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by CommitSyn »

ekanes wrote: post #66
CommitSyn wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. But there was reddit.com for people to migrate to. Let's see the 99% figure out the fediverse.

This change will be slower, but it seems a truth that in life, inside a company and in communities, there are some people who do much more work / have more influence than others. If the best / brightest / most helpful etc people leave, there's rarely much more than a shell left. I think the Fediverse will slowly pick up steam, and perhaps rival reddit in 5 or 10 years. Which is fine. One long-term advantage of the Fe…

That's a good point.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by Jtsummers »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #107
ent101 wrote: post #80

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Now it's #6. How's this even possible?!

Inciteful posts rank lower. Incitefulness being ranked as some function where upvotes increase the score and number of comments decreases it.

Yeah, dang's discussed that in the past. Among other factors for ranking is the comment:upvote ratio. And I think quality of comments and discussion, they have a flamewar detector (speed of replies and depth of comment thread nesting) which can also impact ranking.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by bwat49 »

a2tech wrote: post #142
judge2020 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An influx of capital would be easier by making everyone pay $10/mo to access the API via third-party clients. Would still be unpopular but would mean people could still have the experience they want to see from reddit. but that's the issue - Reddit's been focusing on other forms of content only in the native Reddit app, like TikTok-esque live streams and promoted posts from subs you aren't subscribed to.

They have a $4/month product ALL ready that removes ads and gives you more features. Making that a requirement to use the API is by FAR the simplest and most profitable option. Its also more profit then they're proposing to get from their API charges

Yeah I find it baffling that they didn't just do this
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