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I’m just annoyed the local community group I primarily use Reddit for is dark. I don’t see why this helps anyone. Reddit is a private company, go someplace else. I think 99% of users don’t care, or don’t care enough to do anything substantial. Just move on.

At a certain point, some "private company" must be so important that it becomes an essential service. Maybe Reddit isn't at that point yet, but that you're frustrated it's gone suggests that it is important. If an essential service is privatized, then its owners have a huge amount of leverage over how we live our lives and how we engage with technology. For instance, Apple tries to prohibit apps not on the App Store…

It isn't even close to being so important that it's an essential service, because it is 100% replaceable. It has no technical moat. The only moat it has is the network effect and that can turn on them, as it may very well be in the process of doing.

In my own personal opinionated mental wargaming, with which you are all welcome to disagree, Reddit is literally just a few dozen hours from making that outcome very likely, and the clock is steadily ticking. Wargame out their options if their communities don't budge and the stalemate extends past this week. If Reddit will not back down, they have basically only one other option, which is to lever away the moderator positions for all the private reddits and replace them. If they do, that may superficially work for a while (though IMHO even that is not guaranteed) but the end result would still be the fastest and hardest case of social media evaporative cooling history has ever seen: https://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2015/10/14/the-evaporativ...

Moreover, while the technical task of levering away the subreddit moderators is a single SQL query away (more or less), the job of resuscitating those communities is not. Even if we assume that all the non-moderators on reddit just shrug and get back to redditing, Reddit can't possibly find enough moderators of any kind to moderate that amount of content. At this point the wargame branches out into several options Reddit can take to try to solve this with their current personpower, but none of the ones I can come up with will actually, you know, work. (Closest is to try to query the DB for most active users and make them the new moderators, but merely "most active" is actually not a great criterion, and it will correlate closely with "people who got angry and left" so there is a LOOOOOOOT of manual labor in that process. You can just run the SQL query and surprise announce the new moderators but that really won't work either.) As many have pointed out, moderators are providing an awful lot of free labor. Reddit can easily throw that free labor away but they can not just trivially reconstruct it if they do.

As a moderator myself, I have my reasons for doing what I do, in the amount that I do, for free, and I am satisfied with the arrangement. However, if they do lever me off, I will not be lifting a finger for them. I actually won't be all that perturbed about it either... "oh, no, I can't provide free services to your company anymore gosh geewillikers whatever will I do", I know exactly what I will do, which is move on. I've been on the internet for over 25 years. Moving on is part of the deal. Someday I'm sure I'll move on from HN.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#92
post #23

It seems to me like they could pass this cost to users instead of developers and just have API access an option on some subscription tier. Then allow third party apps to auth with users credentials. And then everyone would be happy? Maybe.

Yes, I've no doubt they know this and have opted for the "more control" route. They seem to fully expect to weather the storm and be able to do whatever they want with the API and anything else.

I guess it remains to be seen if that is true, but unlike Twitter and Mastodon, where I didn't think Mastodon was a good alternative, I actually could see https://kbin.social being a good alternative for reddit.

The longer this protest goes on the more the alternatives will grow and be viable. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

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I always thought reddit was smarter than this. They were really born out of the ashes of digg and for a long time they remembered that. At this point they're in decline I don't think the bleeding will stop. Lots of young people already had a negative view of reddit and now redditors have a negative view of reddit too. I hope we can make a home in the fediverse I'm tired of giving my data to large corps with no recourse.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Due to some quirk of when and how I used the Internet, I not only never used Digg but have only really heard of it in relation to the exodus you mentioned. So, interestingly, I don't remember the exodus but I also feel like people talk about Digg.com all the time (as a cautionary tale).

Yes agreed, I'm in the same boat as you. I hear about the Digg Exodus all the time, have for many years. It's often mentioned when talking about the origins of Reddit too.

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#96
It seems that the end game of corporate controlled social media is for corporate interests to control what you read or watch.

Happened with the feed of Facebook. originally was a true social network where you scrolled through what your family and friends posted. Now it is a algorithm designed to maximize attention and sell influence,

Happened with YouTube. Used to be really pro independent user … now the search functionality is barebones giving you maybe one or two results… the rest promoted content.

TikTok just straight up controls what you consume from the get go

Reddit wants to join in the same model. Heavily corporate moderated content masquerading as “use content.

Sadly I am not too hopeful for a new platform. Any true open forum upvote downvote platform will be torpedoed before it can get going …

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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post #54
post #3

Usual bait and switch from Reddit. Pretty much all investor funded companies follow this path sooner or later. Lock the platform, squeeze the profit. Sad, but not much can be done about it.

> Usual bait and switch from Reddit. Providing an API for free for 15 years. Yeah, total bait and switch.

15 years of leaving money on the table. Not quite at the level of Uber in terms of setting money on fire, but respectable nonetheless.

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#98

I’m just annoyed the local community group I primarily use Reddit for is dark. I don’t see why this helps anyone. Reddit is a private company, go someplace else. I think 99% of users don’t care, or don’t care enough to do anything substantial. Just move on.

If you don’t like it, you’re free to go somewhere else as you rightly point out.

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#99

I love that the CEO calls the users voicing their displeasure "noise". When those users voice opinions on other things, it's called content. When those users voice their opinions against reddit, it's noise. Hoffman continues to display a fundamental misunderstanding of what Reddit is. The very people that give your platform its value are revolting against you, and you think it's noise. What's your product? What do yo…

My personal (cynical) bet is that Huffman actually understands what Reddit is better than us, and Reddit will be just fine after this.

To be completely honest, if a two-day blackout is proven to be the most serious "protest" the community can do, I'll buy Reddit stock when it IPO.

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post #80
post #68

I highly suspect anything critical of Reddit is being flagged to death on HN. This post was #1 with more than 100 upvotes in 39 minutes. Now it keeps going lower and lower.

Now it's #6. How's this even possible?!

I've noticed this place seems to have a really high churn rate. I often find myself replying to comments that are only 5 minutes old. :P
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