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Re: TV is broken

#191

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Their advertising is less broken. I'd still rather pay for GMail instead of seeing ads.

I'd still rather pay for GMail instead of seeing ads. You can; it costs $50/year, though: http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/features.html

Seems like a pittance, given the value you're receiving in return.

Re: TV is broken

#192

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Eh, do you have a citation for it being $100B or more a year? I can only find figures for about $60B: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-07/tech/30048336... (The UK's is about $2.5B, despite it having around 20% of the US's population. Quite a stark difference.)

Another question is what percentage of that $60B actually funds TV content and how much is spent on producing ads and other advertising-specific overhead that would presumably vanish if we payed for completely ad-free TV.

Here's an article that describes a $77.5B TV advertising market in 2008:

http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/can-google-c...

Here we see a 750MM subscriber base in the US:

http://www.bgr.com/2011/05/19/internet-and-telco-tv-eat-away...

So, that's what, ~$100 per subscriber...PER YEAR, to compensate for zero commercials? I hope my math is wrong!

Re: TV is broken

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Some people have mentioned the cable boxes are the issues but no one has mentioned Scientific Atlanta by name. If I'm not mistaken they have been producing horrible boxes for multiple carriers for years! As a Cablevision/Optonline subscriber, I find that using their iOS app is way ahead of using the actual cable box interface. Is it IR that just makes the interface slow or is there some other hardware constraint that…

Most cable set tops have dedicated decryption, video/audio decoding chips so the main CPU available for running the UI is very weak by design. Cisco & Motorola make these set tops pretty much by spec of what the big cable providers want. They don't want a general purpose platform and truly just don't understand why they might want a better user interface. Only in the last year or so have these set tops started to get faster but they are still gimped by the guide software the cable providers use. They usually opt for consistency over quality. The same guide that runs on a 2012 set top needs to work on a 1997 set top.

Re: TV is broken

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post #113

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Here's a question for my fellow amateur economists: What happens to the quality of broadcast television when you increase the supply of broadcast channel-hours by a factor of 50 and you don't increase the supply of viewers at all? I used to watch TV, like most people. Then, in the 1990's, the number of channels started increasing. More options, great. Twice as many channels did allow for more specialization, so maybe…

According to most people who follow TV closely, it's lead to a TV renaissance. Most people agree that, post-Sopranos, we've been living in a golden age of television with shows like The Wire, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Arrested Development, Community & Louie all being an order of magnitude better than what's gone before it. We're currently suffering from a glut of amazing television and if you haven't been paying attenti…

The tv shows are great, but the networks and broadcast model are broken. The whole argument about content is missing the point of the original article, which uses a clever slightly askew title to draw in readers.

Re: TV is broken

#195

This is akin to saying that the internet is broken because some videos are prefaced by a commercial. Or HN is broken because some of the front-page are hiring ads for YC companies. I use a PVR for all of my "TV" needs (I have two large wall-mounted screens. They are great entertainment devices. I only mention that for consistency with those proudly informing that they only old some small CRT in the corner somewhere).…

> This is akin to saying that the internet is broken because some videos are prefaced by a commercial. Youtube showing mandatory, non-skippable video commercials before the video you want to watch is the single most annoying thing that happened on the Internet in the last few years. I still haven't figured out how to get rid of them, but if I ever find out, I won't hesitate to do so.

Ablock Plus gets rid of them.

Re: TV is broken

#196
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There are many other things that are broken too. My fancy expensive name-brand digital TV takes a full minute to boot up from a cold start, longer than it took my tube based TV from the 1950s to warm up. Once on, it takes almost a full second to change channels while it rebuffers the stream of the channel being changed to. This prevents quickly flipping through channels to see what is on. As a result I just don't bot…

Here's a question for my fellow amateur economists: What happens to the quality of broadcast television when you increase the supply of broadcast channel-hours by a factor of 50 and you don't increase the supply of viewers at all? I used to watch TV, like most people. Then, in the 1990's, the number of channels started increasing. More options, great. Twice as many channels did allow for more specialization, so maybe…

> Ten times as many channels, and now I wasn't sure if there were even twice as many as in the old days.

I dislike the fact that they make such a big deal about the number of channels available. DirectTV, for example, offers between 140 and 285 channels! Who would want to flip through that many channels?!

Re: TV is broken

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> It's advertising. Agreed. It's simply a bad business model; you're the product, not the customer, etc. It also has a hugely distorted effect on content production, incentivizing shows to shoot for safe returns and broad appeal instead of monetizing hardcore fans of innovative niche programming. Put simply, I want businesses to care whether they have my money, not my eyeballs. I cut most forms of advertising out of…

I feel like using AdBlock is unethical. You are using a sites resource, while depriving them of the revenue they need to provide you that resource. I vote with my feet so to speak, and stick mostly to sites with subdued advertising.

I found that turning off AdBlock has dramatically reduced my browsing of time-waster sites. It's also a sobering reminder of what the web looks like to most people, and it's not pretty.

Re: TV is broken

#198

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Another question is what percentage of that $60B actually funds TV content and how much is spent on producing ads and other advertising-specific overhead that would presumably vanish if we payed for completely ad-free TV.

Here's an article that describes a $77.5B TV advertising market in 2008: http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/can-google-c... Here we see a 750MM subscriber base in the US: http://www.bgr.com/2011/05/19/internet-and-telco-tv-eat-away... So, that's what, ~$100 per subscriber...PER YEAR, to compensate for zero commercials? I hope my math is wrong!

I have a feeling I'm being terrifically dim, but how can there be a 750 million subscriber base in the US?

Re: TV is broken

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post #183

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IMO there is a strong correlation between the mobile phone landscape circa 2007 iPhone release and the television landscape today. Pretty much the same players, mostly vying for market share based on kitsch features... No true innovation. Without having read the article I'm guessing Apple will introduce something along the lines of 'Siri TV' dispensing with the remote control as they did with the stylus but instead o…

> Siri TV First off, iTV or whatever it's going to be called, doesn't need Siri yet - see this: http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2671593&#3... Siri is a game changer, but Apple's current implementation on the 4S isn't adequate. Whether it's bandwidth problems (due to bad coverage) or misunderstood commands due to noise, my experience with Siri has been mixed - it's a tough problem, but the results ar…

The problem domain for TV is narrower than the problem domain of Siri. She may perform better.

Re: TV is broken

#200
Advertising needs to be turned upside in the DVR/Digital streaming era. Imagine if the show you watched ran ad-free, and instead simply had a 'Sponsored By' section on the shows start page (basically a newly designed 'landing page' for each tv show). Then we viewers would simply choose to watch the ad's when we/if we wanted. And even if we didn't watch an ad, just seeing a Tide logo on that page would cause some to buy their product ('cool they sponsor Family Guy...' for example).

The thing that advertisers don't seem to understand is that we consumers are actually interested in the right ad's. I would choose to watch the new trailer for Game of Thrones - Season Two for example. Or an add for the new Honda Element, if I were shopping or just curious what the new model looked like.

All the sponsored by ads could be google-style customized to the viewer, and the view-rate would likely be higher than it is now where I DVR skip pretty much all ad's since there is no easy way for me to know what is being shown.

On top of all that, advertisers would be able to know exactly how many people were actually watching their ads. They could even add in interactive 'like/dislike' voting to further determine the effectiveness of the ad.

I thought of all this 5-6 years ago when DVR's really got popular. It seemed to me an obvious way to 'evolve' TV, and I'm pretty surprised something like this hasn't already happend. I guess it's expecting too much from an industry that is used to just shoveling ads at us from all angles, the idea of 'choice' is probably pretty scary/imposible for them.

Maybe this is the way Apple intends to crack TV?

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