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Re: Headphones for Hackers

#161
The data sample sizes are too small to draw any real conclusion, but it's pretty obvious what's going on.

Audiophiles care about sound quality more than anything, and spend time researching what kind of cans fit their personal listening preferences as well as listening environment. They spend money on headphones because music and audio quality is their passion/hobby.

Hackers, for the most part, have more money to spend than the average "consumer", but music and audio quality isn't necessarily their hobby. If those Bose ads are everywhere and the mini-stores are in airports, or if everyone and their mother has "Beats" labeled headphones/earphones, then they're more likely to just spend whatever their budget is on Bose or Beats, because since it's not their passion, they are less likely to research.

So we end up with hackers paying more for worse listening experiences than audiophiles. I bet car enthusiasts get a better deal on buying used cars than audiophiles. And chefs pick out better produce than car enthusiasts.

Is this really interesting?

Re: Headphones for Hackers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only difference is the magnet in the drivers as far as sound is concerned, but more importantly the 7506 has a 'pro' very long coiled cable while the V6 has a shorter, straight cable. From what I understand, the V600 is not in the same league, but you should check that at Head-Fi.

I have always read that the only important difference is more bass emphasis in the V6's as compared to the 7506's, which have a very flat response.

You're probably thinking of the V600 which has heavier bass and swiveling earcups for DJing.

Re: Headphones for Hackers

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post #96

I've listened to Grados, various Sennheiser, etc.. and they're all fine. Good even. But there's just one thing I don't get about the "headphone scene". I've done various things as a musician over the last 15 years, and the cans you see EVERYWHERE are the Sony MDR-7506. Period. If it is good enough to mix and master, if it is good enough to monitor professional vocalists in the studio, it is good enough for you! These…

I tried 7506's (I think?) and found them really bright and fatiguing - kind of the Genelec of headphones.

But as others have pointed out, you're optimizing for a different variable in the studio. First of all, you'd never mix or master on headphones unless you're testing to see how your mix sounds on headphones. So at that point, you probably want cans that translate well to "average" headphones, and it may well be that the Sonys do. Think about NS-10's, or even Auratones - they're not great speakers, they're just a common reference point that everyone knows.

And for tracking, you really don't want flat response; you want cans that'll reinforce the musician's ability to hear themselves, the headphone equivalent of a presence peak. Isolation is critical - no headphone bleeding. But the most important quality for tracking headphones is ruggedness; they are going to get abused, and they need to be easily repairable but rarely need repairing.

All of which is to say: being universal doesn't imply being the best-sounding or the most-comfortable; it implies being optimal for the needs of a recording studio.

Re: Headphones for Hackers

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post #125
post #96

I've listened to Grados, various Sennheiser, etc.. and they're all fine. Good even. But there's just one thing I don't get about the "headphone scene". I've done various things as a musician over the last 15 years, and the cans you see EVERYWHERE are the Sony MDR-7506. Period. If it is good enough to mix and master, if it is good enough to monitor professional vocalists in the studio, it is good enough for you! These…

I came here to say just this. I've had similar experiences, and have loaned my 7506's out to sound engineers on the road when their cans broke. As pro audio gear, they're also designed to be repairable. Having spent a few dollars on replacement ear pads, I have a pair of 7506's that have lasted 10 years.

My first MDR-7506's had very soft rubber on it's cord, and eventually it broke. Changing the coil requires soldering and I and another person who actually had experience could not get it done, the wire resisted all attempts somehow... So not as repairable in my mind, but it is obviously somewhat relative term. Still bought new ones and the cord has been fine, if someone is wondering. Would prefer if the cord could be changed by just plugging a new one in however :)

Re: Headphones for Hackers

#165

I really like my Technics RP-DJ1200's. They sound just as good as the mid-range Senheisers, but they don't break when you forget that you have them on and walk across the room. And they fold up so that they don't take up much space in my bag.

I have the RP-DH1200's (aside: why does Panasonic insist on such similar product names?) which I think are a lot more comfortable, at least on my head.

Both of them are DJ headphones so they aren't likely to win any prizes for fidelity. However, I think DJ headphones are a decent choice for coding since they are optimized for high isolation. You just need to find a pair that's comfortable to wear for long periods of time... and that's different for everyone's head and ears.

Re: Headphones for Hackers

#166

The data sample sizes are too small to draw any real conclusion, but it's pretty obvious what's going on. Audiophiles care about sound quality more than anything, and spend time researching what kind of cans fit their personal listening preferences as well as listening environment. They spend money on headphones because music and audio quality is their passion/hobby. Hackers, for the most part, have more money to spe…

It is to me. I was very surprised that programmers pay ~$100-$200 for padded over-the-head headphones. Perhaps this is just ultra-typical. The styles are very interesting, although unfortunately they don't provide that data directly; the brands are also somewhat interesting.

Keep in mind, I say this as someone who is apparently quite atypical. I have converted to neckphones -- headphones which wrap around your neck while wearing them -- as things which occupy my permanent ensemble. It's partly because I wanted to be able to quickly drop and resume music listening while cycling, but to be honest the padded headphones feeling around my neck died in high school for me, and hasn't been resurrected. They were too sweaty and you couldn't really wear them around your neck comfortably and sleekly while you were in a situation where you wanted to pay attention. Thinner traditional headphones are good for that, earbuds are horrible for that.

I feel like the story is missing the details, though. I could write a blog I suppose about all the neckphones I've used and their relative advantages, but honestly it seems like my basic problem is "I expect to accidentally sit on my headphones once or twice per year and they must be cheap, so that I think of them as expendable." That's not really in this article. ^_^;; I've used Sennheisers, I have a pair of Sonys now, but I must remark that at least for neckphones, after several frustrating experiences with other brands my brand loyalty today belongs with Philips. So I am even more atypical; they don't make the graph at all here. ^_^;;

I feel some extra pride because it's a Dutch company, but still: the last Philips neckband headphones I bought, the SHS5200s, lasted me almost an entire year for (if I'm remembering this correctly) 15 euro, with beautiful sound that, unlike my present Sony's, didn't leak sound to my office mates. They ultimately wore down because they had a straight headphone jack, not an L-shaped one. (The headphone ports on both my old and newer laptop were/are on the front, and therefore fatigue the cord when I'm reclining with my laptop on evenings and weekends.)

The only reason I'm ranting about them, and I promise I'll stop, is that the SHS5200s actually solved the problem of cord-extension breaks. And it's retrospectively such a simple engineering fix: just don't make the audio wire load-bearing. Use a piece of elastic to "bunch up" a little bit of wire, when you accidentally hyperextend your cord, the elastic is what responds. It's a brilliant little thing.

The reason I'm saying all of this is just that, in my role as hacker, these are the little things which I value most. The sound quality needs to be pretty beautiful, yes, but there are other practical problems like being able to comfortably keep them around my neck when I'm walking around town.

Re: Headphones for Hackers

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post #81

I must be in the minority but I never found the huge cans to be comfortable. The weight becomes annoying, and they cause my ears to get warm and sweaty after extended wear. Earbuds are alright, but they never fit in my ears properly and fall out too easily. I don't particularly fancy full-on in-ear headphones either. I finally settled on using the Sennheiser PX-200 II headphones: http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-PX-2…

cause my ears to get warm and sweaty after extended wear This is what open cans are for ;) You can also sit very still and will your pulse lower. With practice you can lower your core temperature at will.

That's a trick I've yet to learn. The other problem being that I prefer to stand and move a lot when working ;)

Re: Headphones for Hackers

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post #76

I'm a longtime Head-fi member, first set of workplace cans were HD-280s about 10 years ago. This article is a decent start, but there are many better options in these respective price ranges. Head-fi is there to help - http://www.head-fi.org/ I've moved considerably upmarket over the years and won't talk about the rest of my setup, but my main cans now are Ultrasone Editions 8s. They're very pricey (retail $1500 for…

HD280 is the best bang for the buck. I've bought 5 pairs now for other people!

I've had my pair for a couple years and love them.

BUT, they were poorly tested. Both sides have broken where they slide out of the headpiece to extend.

Spent $5 at home depot and with a bit of drilling they are now reinforced and back together.

Re: Headphones for Hackers

#169
post #2

Nothing beats the Sennheiser HD-280 as an awesome pair of hacker headphones. For ~$80 you get terrific sounds, great noise reduction and amazing comfort. I've tried previous iterations of the Bose QC line but I was disappointed by a) the battery requirement, b) the sound quality (poor and muddled by active noise cancellation) and c) the build quality---my pair died after a year and those things never did anything but…

The headband on mine broke within the first 6 months from taking them on and off all day. Great sound, bad quality.

I was able to reinforce them and they are better than ever.

Re: Headphones for Hackers

#170
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sennheiser in ear buds are the only thing that make mass transit survivable. The almost completely block out ambient sound, and I can listen to podcasts enven in loud environments. The only caveat is that buds, especially when thrown into jackets and pant pockets, only last 6 months to a year, but are completely worth the 40$.

Really? Sennheiser makes some really open in ear monitors (IEMs) and buds. I've found them to not be so good for traveling. I used to have Shures, then Etymotics, but the Etys broke. Now those made a plane sound like a quiet car ride.

I have a pair of shure se315 and, I love them. They block out ambient noise really well, and have a really nice even response. I would recommend them if you want an IEM with an even tone. Only downside is they are a bit on the expensive side.
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