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MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Post by tasuki »

batmaniam wrote: post #503
tasuki wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I had Mr Beast's financial or influence level, the next step I would be doing is wondering why those 1k or 2k people didn't get their healthcare and then trying to patch that. It sounds like you know what should be done. Why don't you have Mr Beast financial or influence level? And why is that necessary to structurally improve healthcare? > So what' stopping Mr Beast from going to that next step? What's stopping…

> Why don't you have Mr Beast financial or influence level? > What's stopping you or anyone else? Ad hominem fallacy. Life is not lucky for most people in the world. Don't really have to explain this if you look at how wealth disparity or how poverty trap works. You can wikipedia this yourself. > why is that necessary to structurally improve healthcare? Have you ever tried to intensely petition something? Or get an i…

> Have you ever tried to intensely petition something? Or get an issue in front of your representative to take seriously? Do you know how much work and effort that takes? It's not simply doing an online poll.

So, why do you expect mister beast to be able to change things? He's doing more than me for sure.

> if I had Mr Beast's money I would do the next step and fix issues permanently,

Ehh. You probably wouldn't?

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Post by [deleted] »

dymk wrote: post #333
shaman1 wrote: post #285

Not religious but I remember Jesus's words (lol): > Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. > So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. > But when…

The Bible also says being gay is a sin, so I’d say it’s not a great source of morality in general. Arbitrary at best.

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Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Post by lazyasciiart »

memefrog wrote: post #199
lazyasciiart wrote: post #142

Wow. Cataract surgery? Australia provides cataract surgery free under socialised healthcare. The big concern is that some patients wait up to 2 1/2 years after diagnosis for the surgery, and that indigenous Australians lack access to medical care for even diagnostics. But to just say, we know what's wrong, and how to fix it, and have available doctors nearby, but nah the kid just gets to grow up blind? What the fuck.

>and that indigenous Australians lack access to medical care for even diagnostics. If it is anything like the situation in New Zealand, there is no lack of access but a lack of uptake. You cannot infer from lower rates of uptake that there is a lack of access.

It is lack of access. Unlike New Zealand, Australia is very big. Many Australian indigenous people live very remotely where there are no medical facilities at all.

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Post by lazyasciiart »

Dig1t wrote: post #218
lazyasciiart wrote: post #142

Wow. Cataract surgery? Australia provides cataract surgery free under socialised healthcare. The big concern is that some patients wait up to 2 1/2 years after diagnosis for the surgery, and that indigenous Australians lack access to medical care for even diagnostics. But to just say, we know what's wrong, and how to fix it, and have available doctors nearby, but nah the kid just gets to grow up blind? What the fuck.

Well for poor people in the US, there is Medicaid. For old people there is Medicare. Most people have health insurance in the US (92.5% of Californians have health insurance, for example). Things are not as bad in the US as people often claim.

You know Medicaid doesn’t cover all poor people right? You do get that we are talking about a concrete instance of a child in the US who spent most of their life unable to get cataract surgery because they couldn’t pay for it?

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Post by snovv_crash »

windowshopping wrote: post #336
snovv_crash wrote: post #290

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Filming it is how he raises funds for the next act of charity. Your suggestion not to film it is killing the golden goose to spite your face.

"Look at me doing good for these people! This was MR BEAST that did this, me, I'm MR BEAST AND I HELP PEOPLE! REMEMBER THE NAME FOLKS, IT'S ME, MR. BEAST. Make sure to like and subscribe!" --> "This guy is a champion of generosity, a paragon of goodness. I admire him so much." --people like you, and other children

Nobody said he is a champion of generosity or a paragon of virtue, that's your take on strawmanning an easy to win point because you don't want to have an actual conversation here.

The alternative is advertisers spending their money on rap videos glorifying selling drugs to kids and committing felonies. Personally, because I don't see the world in black and white, I see Mr Beast as a massive upgrade from the previous status quo.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

bruceb wrote: post #502
throwaway2037 wrote: post #467

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I guess the prices for Uniqlo are massively marked up in the United States. In Japan, pull-over sweatshirt costs 1,290 yen, or about 9.50 USD. Ref: https://www.uniqlo.com/jp/ja/products/E458468-000/00?colorDi...

No they don't. That is the sale price and none are available. https://www.uniqlo.com/jp/ja/men/tops/sweatshirts-and-hoodie... 2990 yen and up for regular price.

> 2990 yen and up for regular price.

That's still only about $20 and up, so right there is a factor of 2x between Japan and the US.

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Post by memefrog »

em-bee wrote: post #515
memefrog wrote: post #192

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That's not an argument in favour of Mr Beast. It's an argument against government programmes. And it is a good argument against government programmes.

no it's not a good argument against government programs. really the best way to improve everyones lives is by everyone paying their taxes and allow those taxes to be used to help anyone in need and fund infrastructure and improvements for everyone in society. if we pool our resources we can create a better life for everyone. charities that rely on donations can only go so far, and they allow people to opt out of cont…

It is the responsibility of the individual to ensure his needs are met. If he is incapable of doing so, then charity (collectively or individually) may be necessary.

I am not opposed to a social safety net but what you propose and what we have (all over the Anglosphere) is a system where people are told and believe that they are entitled to have their lives funded by others with whom they have no personal connection.

I don't see why someone living in eg. California should be funding the life of a family living in eg. one of the many Southern states that take more in federal funds than they put in.

Funding certain services is obviously necessary, like insane asylums, prisons, courts, police, firemen and the army. It is a matter of debate whether healthcare should be. Schools definitely not.

We have turned a system of helping those in need into a system for redistributing money from middle income people to the poor. We subsidise bad employers that don't pay market rates with things like in-work benefits.

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Post by SergeAx »

amanzi wrote: post #55

I don't mind MrBeast, but what I really hate is how every other YouTuber has decided to copy his "screaming face" thumbnail strategy. My YouTube home page is full of screaming faces and bright text with some clickbait title. Even middle-age woodworkers (the polar-opposite audience to MrBeast) fall prey to this strategy, and I've started to unsubscribe from channels that insist on doing this.

Hate to break it to you, but your YT homepage is filled with the content similar to that you are most interacting with. I never click on perverted faces, and if I see something really disgusting - I take a two second time to click "I don't like it"/"Don't recommend me things like this". Currently there's only two medium-cringe face out of 20 thumbs on my YT home page.

Those are just recommendation algos, they are not specifically want to annoy you.

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Post by em-bee »

memefrog wrote: post #537
em-bee wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no it's not a good argument against government programs. really the best way to improve everyones lives is by everyone paying their taxes and allow those taxes to be used to help anyone in need and fund infrastructure and improvements for everyone in society. if we pool our resources we can create a better life for everyone. charities that rely on donations can only go so far, and they allow people to opt out of cont…

It is the responsibility of the individual to ensure his needs are met. If he is incapable of doing so, then charity (collectively or individually) may be necessary. I am not opposed to a social safety net but what you propose and what we have (all over the Anglosphere) is a system where people are told and believe that they are entitled to have their lives funded by others with whom they have no personal connection.…

people are told and believe that they are entitled to have their lives funded by others with whom they have no personal connection

if they are incapable of doing so on their own, then i very much believe that they are entitled to help.

the reverse is the problem. people believing that they have no responsibility to help others who are not capable to support themselves.

as a society we do have that responsibility.

It is a matter of debate whether healthcare should be

not where i come from.

Schools definitely not

education is a human right, and must be available to everyone regardless of their financial means.

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Post by oh_sigh »

batmaniam wrote: post #250
oh_sigh wrote: post #230

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What is Mr Beast's net worth? Maybe somewhere between $100M and $500M. There are at least 1000 people in the US right now, probably far more, who have just as much money or influence as him. What's stopping all of them from going to that next step?

Exactly. What's stopping them? Nothing, right? They've got all the money they'll ever need, and powerful friends if they need something money can't buy. Yet like you said, what's being done to fix structural issues within society? The only structural changes I see are wealth disparities getting increasingly wider in society, with laws and tax cuts being favored for the ultra rich after each new presidential leadershi…

It doesn't help when a random person needs that surgery. But it certainly does help the random person that gets the surgery. My point is that he can't just drop $300M on some topic and get the world to change. Can you tell me how he could use his money to ensure that everyone in America gets that life saving surgery? Is he going to somehow convince die hard Republicans that it isn't socialized medicine? Biden and Trump each spent far more than Beast's net worth on trying to get elected in 2020, and one of them lost after spending $800M. I don't really see what he is supposed to do to effect structural change in the US with his measly $300M or whatever.
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