He's not wrong. How many times has reddit abused it's users knowing that they'll just take it because they are addicted? The only thing that will get results is if these subreddits go private permanently. But they won't. They don't have it in them to.
Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
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Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#222can someone help me understand what's the core of the issue is? is it because they are now charging for APIs which used to be free? i hope that's the not the issue because that's not a sustainable business. third party apps can grow revenue using Reddit's contents and Reddit don't see a penny from them. if the issue is the amount Reddit charge per call, why can't those third party apps charge their users more based o…
This is a weird take. You're saying that 3rd party apps should just charge their users whatever is necessary to satisfy Reddit's pricing? As a user, I don't feel like that's a viable solution. Ultimately it's the users who pay and not the app makers. How much is Reddit worth to pay for only on mobile and with a degraded (no NSFW) experience?
I mean that's a common knowledge, no? if the cost of raw materials goes up, manufacturers hike up the prices of the final goods and consumers pay for it.
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If the blackout is only for two days then they're right Yeah... I don't know the tradeoffs at play but 2 days is... extremely insignificant / probably a bad decision by all of the moderators? It sends a message sure but, it's a bunch of "whiny reddit mods" versus C-level executives in a "help us make API more affordable versus help us not lose a ton of money offering generous free API hosting/usage" negotiation. Ho…
>Why should they foot the bill for the API calls? You have a serious misunderstanding of how this works. They are footing the bill for API calls regardless. All reddit access by users is to external public facing API's. We are not on their internal network. They MUST have accessible servers + data costs. In all honesty the 3rd parties are probably more efficient as they are a lot less bloated which means LESS costs.
Well, there's also opportunity costs via lost ad revenue, which they're seemingly attempting to charge for.
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Why should they foot the bill for the API calls? You have a serious misunderstanding of how this works. They are footing the bill for API calls regardless. All reddit access by users is to external public facing API's. We are not on their internal network. They MUST have accessible servers + data costs. In all honesty the 3rd parties are probably more efficient as they are a lot less bloated which means LESS costs.
I'm just waiting to see third party apps that, in lieu of API access, work by scraping the website, and are a LOT heavier on the servers. A major selling point of API's is to lighten the load.
These apps will then also be a lot heavier on the phone’s battery and the users patience. So I doubt they will retain the experience the users are accustomed to.
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#225I can't get past the "snoos"
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#226If the blackout is only for two days then they're right, but if they continue indefinitely it could force a change (reddit is currently unusable since all but one sub I enjoy is gone, if it was gone indefinitely then reddit would be indefinitely out of the picture for me).
The only thing they care about is bottom line, and this, "Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact”," is key. To lose 95.8% of your site (judged by the 8467 out of 8838 subreddits gone dark) and not have a revenue impact at all raises some questions, primarily if there are any revenue streams based on usage, or only on monthly subscriptions and non-view-based ad contracts?
It's about 70% of the top 1500 subreddits
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only thing they care about is bottom line, and this, "Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact”," is key. To lose 95.8% of your site (judged by the 8467 out of 8838 subreddits gone dark) and not have a revenue impact at all raises some questions, primarily if there are any revenue streams based on usage, or only on monthly subscriptions and non-view-based ad contracts?
> To lose 95.8% of your site (judged by the 8467 out of 8838 subreddits gone dark) That's out of the 8838 that made a pledge to go dark. Those ~400 are just the ones that went "restricted" (read-only) instead of private, or flaked on the pledge. There are over a million subreddits, the blackout doesn't even reach one percent of them.
It's about 70% of the largest subreddits: https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#228If the blackout is only for two days then they're right, but if they continue indefinitely it could force a change (reddit is currently unusable since all but one sub I enjoy is gone, if it was gone indefinitely then reddit would be indefinitely out of the picture for me).
For me it's the other way around ... A lot if the high volume subreddits are gone leaving only the small communities that I have actually subscribed to ... And honestly, I very much enjoy the current state of reddit :-/
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, why not create your own subreddit then? All you have to do is create it with a small group of people to see it, post good articles, and keep a 24/7 watch to kill the comment and post spam going to viagra and obvious trash.
I'm not interested in unpaid labour, I barely have time to do the paid one.
It feels like there is a bit of contradiction inherent in your position here, no?