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Dating, education, and sex ratios

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Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios

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Post by blackbear_ »

majormajor wrote: post #122
blackbear_ wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A possible explanation is that most teachers in primary school are female, which creates an environment and behavioral expectations that favor girls, e.g.: - Teachers and the Gender Gaps in Student Achievement - https://jhr.uwpress.org/content/XLII/3/528 - Gender differences in teachers’ perceptions of students’ temperament, educational competence, and teachability - https://doi.org/10.1111/j.2044-8279.2010.02017.x

That seems weird though, right? Cause in the US teachers, especially for early-childhood, have been predominantly female since before this gap.

The world is much larger than the US ;)

It could be that there were other external factors that used to counter-balance this effect, and are now being removed, such as, for example, the quest for increasing female participation in STEM no matter what, or general societal norms beyond school spurred by the rise of femminism.

In any case, the academinc literature on this topic is vast (and not so clear cut), so if you really have not seen thorough investigations on the topic beyond "boys don't like it" or something from the Bible you can start by reading papers citing those I mentioned above:

- https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=3048749496880924830...

- https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=8365905588440304050...

Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

orwin wrote: post #119
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #18

To speak frankly, what are women doing with all this supposed surplus of education? I don't exactly see turning tides in terms of women beginning to dominate markets or leadership positions because they're starting businesses and startups and taking over boards and middle management positions. Anecdotally, I've seen these single women, they're all waiting until they're past their 20s to find a partner and they expect…

> To speak frankly, what are women doing with all this supposed surplus of education? What's funny is that I talked about Bourdieu a whole afternoon during last week's strike, and today, two conversations where my 10 year old knowledge could be used. Women historically had low economic, symbolic and social capital, but could have high cultural one. They used this cultural capital to gain the others. But Bourdieu expl…

Thanks for sharing this.

Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios

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Post by simonsarris »

swozey wrote: post #34
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #18

To speak frankly, what are women doing with all this supposed surplus of education? I don't exactly see turning tides in terms of women beginning to dominate markets or leadership positions because they're starting businesses and startups and taking over boards and middle management positions. Anecdotally, I've seen these single women, they're all waiting until they're past their 20s to find a partner and they expect…

> they're all waiting until they're past their 20s to find a partner and they expect them all to be complete people by the time they meet them. I'm in my 30s and never married. I fully expect someone to come as a full person with an education and career. I am beyond glad that I didn't get married to my high school sweet heart or someone I dated in my early 20s when I was still a kid. I am nothing like I was when I wa…

> my early 20s when I was still a kid

You were not a kid. There's an old lady on my road whose (late) husband built their house when he was 18. Maybe he was still a kid.

> I am nothing like I was when I was 20, or 25. Maybe even 30.

It would be very weird if you did not change at all between 20 and 30 but nothing precludes doing that with someone else. 99% of modern relationship advice is bad because it tries to convince people that needing to show up to life with everything figured out is superior to figuring things out together. For almost everyone, the latter is a lot more workable. That doesn't mean it will be free from hardship, but it opens up enormous advantages. Time is not free.

Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios

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Post by pizzafeelsright »

Tagbert wrote: post #24
sho_hn wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. Over here in Europe, we have these discussions all the time. They do get opinionated, of course. But it's not yet taboo.

It's not in the US, but it seems some people have become socially fearful. I think that there is an artificial sense of risk possibly driving by 24x7 news and social media that prey on people's fears and anxieties.

I would not say artificial. An individual with whom I work spoke a common word, with respect, and despite being a respectable term for another person, a term agreed by all parties as acceptable except the offended party, the accused was contacted by HR and advised to no longer use that term.

There are other anecdotes of course but this is one example that even the best intentions the accuser is never told their position is untenable.

Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios

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Post by alcover »

blackbear_ wrote: post #111
majormajor wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The education gap between men and women are growing. More women enroll and graduate from college then men. Many young men, mostly lower-middle class, (whether fairly or not) feel like the education system does not work for them. So, like, isn't the question "why"? Why do boys, particularly lower- or lower-middle class, not believe in the education system as much as their sisters? School sucks, work sucks, then you…

A possible explanation is that most teachers in primary school are female, which creates an environment and behavioral expectations that favor girls, e.g.: - Teachers and the Gender Gaps in Student Achievement - https://jhr.uwpress.org/content/XLII/3/528 - Gender differences in teachers’ perceptions of students’ temperament, educational competence, and teachability - https://doi.org/10.1111/j.2044-8279.2010.02017.x

In France, the female teacher ratio is 80+% in primary school and ~60% in secondary.

Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios

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Post by breischl »

rngname22 wrote: post #64

Conversations about high income as a factor in attracting women often seem to neglect to mention that it's not enough to have a high income if you don't use it to signal wealth or to provide luxury experiences to women. Telling women you want to put your high income to work in enabling you to retire early but live a modest life and use that freedom to pursue creative pursuits doesn't have the same effect as taking th…

You attract what you advertise for.

If you're advertising flashy, high-spending lifestyle, that's who you'll attract. But the women who are looking for long-term stability will stay away. And vice versa.

Of course, if you want the not-high-spending women, you need to have something other than money and flashy lifestyle to offer. I think some guys get hung up there.

Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios

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Post by dang »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #18

To speak frankly, what are women doing with all this supposed surplus of education? I don't exactly see turning tides in terms of women beginning to dominate markets or leadership positions because they're starting businesses and startups and taking over boards and middle management positions. Anecdotally, I've seen these single women, they're all waiting until they're past their 20s to find a partner and they expect…

Please don't do gender flamewar on HN. "Women are asking for too much" is not going to end well, and the kind of thing we're trying to avoid here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios

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Post by scarmig »

breischl wrote: post #137
rngname22 wrote: post #64

Conversations about high income as a factor in attracting women often seem to neglect to mention that it's not enough to have a high income if you don't use it to signal wealth or to provide luxury experiences to women. Telling women you want to put your high income to work in enabling you to retire early but live a modest life and use that freedom to pursue creative pursuits doesn't have the same effect as taking th…

You attract what you advertise for. If you're advertising flashy, high-spending lifestyle, that's who you'll attract. But the women who are looking for long-term stability will stay away. And vice versa. Of course, if you want the not-high-spending women, you need to have something other than money and flashy lifestyle to offer. I think some guys get hung up there.

It's interesting that future security, free time to spend with your partner and do housework, and hobbies don't count as something to offer (at least relative to a flashy lifestyle). But, yes, a guy needs to find an effective angle that's in demand on the relationship market.

Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios

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Post by dang »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #124
EatingWithForks wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're kind of missing the point I'm trying to make. There's no point in someone who can define a term for broader trends if they cannot balance a personal budget. The capacity to define a broader trend can inform budgets, but I wouldn't date someone who is shocked when they have no money left for food because they spent it all on a shoe sale. I wouldn't consider that person a functional adult even if they ha…

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Personal swipes will get you banned here, so would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and make your substantive points without any of that?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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