Do MODs lose money during blackout. If no, what's the incentive to bring them back quickly?
Reddit mods are all volunteers....
Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
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Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#72The bulk of Reddit mods have so much of their identity riding on their moderation power that there is basically nothing Reddit could say or do to lose their free labor. Yes, there is a long tail of selfless reddit mods just doing their janitorial duties in some smaller subreddits, but most reddit traffic is directed to subreddits moderated by stereotypical mods whose physical stature resembles the shape of their place in the bell curve of traffic. They will never surrender that power because it's all they have going for them.
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I feel like maybe you mean this in good faith, but I think you might misunderstand Reddit. The site is moderated by volunteers (who this "extremely rich" company doesn't compensate) who help curate the information you then find useful. So perhaps when they feel the changes being made make their job harder (making unusable applications they use to assist in moderation and generally support due to the said big company'…
You think wrong. The disconnect comes from the fact you're applying rational logic to an irrational mob.
Mod tools were going to be made worse, sure, but what really drove up the frenzies masses was 3rd party apps. This is predicated by the app debacle, not the mod tools.
The app debacle is (again very rich) app developers who had margins of like 99.999% getting shut down. It's too bad. I use some of those apps. It's a shame Reddit wants them to be shut down or made relatively expensive.
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At the end of the day it's complete and utter nonsense that unpaid mods get to slam their fists in the pie because they don't like what the chef is doing.
They should have walked out. Leave Reddit unmoderated and let it go to the dogs (or force Reddit to actually have to gasp pay for mods).
Instead they decided that their will is ultimate because the de-facto person who becomes a Reddit moderator is not to be trusted with any sort of actual power.
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem isn't that no one can create a Reddit clone, the problem is that no one can scale like Reddit and do it at continuous loss just to be dominant
No, the problem with a Reddit clone isn't technical. It's getting the network effect that's difficult. And as much as we nerds want to believe, the best technical solution isn't always what wins.
Right now if you had a perfect reddit clone and it didn't lag and didn't throw 500 or some stuff you'd be golden (provided you could scale)
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
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#76I do hope a good chunk of mods extend the blackouts indefinitely.
Reddit will simply replace the mods if this becomes more than an annoyance.
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#77If the blackout is only for two days then they're right, but if they continue indefinitely it could force a change (reddit is currently unusable since all but one sub I enjoy is gone, if it was gone indefinitely then reddit would be indefinitely out of the picture for me).
> If the blackout is only for two days then they're right Yeah... I don't know the tradeoffs at play but 2 days is... extremely insignificant / probably a bad decision by all of the moderators? It sends a message sure but, it's a bunch of "whiny reddit mods" versus C-level executives in a "help us make API more affordable versus help us not lose a ton of money offering generous free API hosting/usage" negotiation. Ho…
What the 2 day blackout does is it nudges people to explore alternatives. With this, Reddit management has lowered the barriers to exit. When the next boycott comes, migration for many subreddits will be easier.
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#78If the blackout is only for two days then they're right, but if they continue indefinitely it could force a change (reddit is currently unusable since all but one sub I enjoy is gone, if it was gone indefinitely then reddit would be indefinitely out of the picture for me).
> If the blackout is only for two days then they're right Yeah... I don't know the tradeoffs at play but 2 days is... extremely insignificant / probably a bad decision by all of the moderators? It sends a message sure but, it's a bunch of "whiny reddit mods" versus C-level executives in a "help us make API more affordable versus help us not lose a ton of money offering generous free API hosting/usage" negotiation. Ho…
> Why should they foot the bill for the API calls? So they have to crack down on some 3rd party apps we all took for granted and kill a few apps off. Sucks but at the end of the day, will it really matter in 6 months?
This would be all fine and well if their official app weren't garbage. They do everything in their power to push you to the mobile app, but they seemingly haven't improved it since its inception.
Re: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’
#79Before the blackout, many subreddits hinted at extending the blackout indefinitely if Reddit is being adversarial. This seems adversarial.
One of the fun things about reddit is that if mods decide to extend it indefinitely, users are free to create their own subreddits and move their conversations there. Any mod who thinks they're ultimately important in the grand scheme of things is deluding themselves.