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Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit – and why users revolted

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Re: Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit – and why users revolted

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They buried the lede. The article suggests the shutdown was because of free API to paid API. Anyone uninformed who just click off at that point. Even when they ask about costs, it was just saying it’s “ But the issue is two fold. (1) all the devs support a paid API, but the rate is absurd according to basic math. It would charge devs over 20x what a user actually cost/were worth. Devs were willing to take on a higher…

What is a user worth on Reddit?

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I'm looking for rechargeable batteries and monitor shopping right now, and my typical research process involves searching for reviews on Reddit (google: "$item review reddit") because of how many absolute garbage Amazon affiliate link-farms there are these days. It's been tough to stay off Reddit for that research. I've also decided, screw it, I'm taking an Amazon break as well (because they enable the above behavior…

https://www.rtings.com/monitor is where you want to look for monitors over random people on Reddit. Rechargable batteries seemed to me to be a complete commodity at this point that they really aren't even worth researching. Anker is my go to for anything USB chargeable related and regular batteries have been totally fine using generic brands in my remotes. I've actually had more problems with brand-name no rechargeab…

Yes, I love rtings. I do want the "what's it like to live with this?" input I get from Reddit, although perhaps I'm overindexing on it.

Eneloops seem to be the longest-lasting brand, I just pulled out an old eneloop that's been sitting for at least 8 years and it still had it's charge (!!). What I've been looking for is tests like Mooch does for 18650s but for AA/AAA: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blog/links-to-all-21700-26...

Re: Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit – and why users revolted

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Maybe I'm missing something: why can't Apollo--or any other app--pass the API burden to the user? I get that this means the user experience via the app would effetively turn out to be paid service. But then, to match, Reddit could have also relaxed their policy to the effect that, up to n API access would be free; beyond that, Reddit would charge the user. Microsoft, for example, already do this for many of their Azu…

Apollo sold subscriptions for up to a year, and they would’ve had to burn money to honor those subscriptions. The cost was in the millions.

They did ask for more time for the changes than the given 30 days, and Reddit refused.

Re: Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit – and why users revolted

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Some subs held polls, and in every one that I saw, the strike was quite broadly popular. I think characterizing this as a few power mods throwing their toys out of the pram is unfair.

Yes, but the "strike" is temporary, so there's no real sacrifice. That's the main reason I think this whole thing is silly. Like any activism that actually accomplishes anything, it must be sustained and involve real sacrifice to work. This is just "raising awareness," which I guess it has done, but it's easy enough for Reddit to just batten down the hatches and wait for it to blow over, which it will. It's no differ…

It's a first step. I agree that in the longer term it will be necessary for continuing action, but you start with a warning shot, not scorched earth.

Re: Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit – and why users revolted

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> Considering the amount of media attention this has gotten from even mainstream sources including places like the BBC Reddit moderators are uniquely privileged when it comes to making their opinions heard on reddit. The shuttering of subreddits is sensational and splashy enough to get media attention, but in itself says little about how most reddit users feel. A moderator revolt is like a strike of middle managers,…

Some subs held polls, and in every one that I saw, the strike was quite broadly popular. I think characterizing this as a few power mods throwing their toys out of the pram is unfair.

> Some subs held polls, and in every one that I saw, the strike was quite broadly popular.

These polls have an insane selection bias though. The ones who feel strongly for the issue will be the ones commenting and voting.

It's why stickies/sidebars/etc. rarely work because most of the users simply don't care enough to view them.

Re: Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit – and why users revolted

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I’m just following Christian’s good faith interpretation. But it’s absolutely clear it was done to kill 3P clients. It’s hilarious that certain bots would be exempt and free from the price hike. Spez called out the Haikubot by name. Look those bots are cute. But it has to query every single sub and every single comment every few minutes to work. If Reddit truly cares about waste and inefficiency those would be the fi…

Those bots also shit up the S/N and generally disrupt conversations with useless replies nobody asked for. They're a big part of the reason I stopped using reddit. Related: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/054/961/748...

Has Time Cube vibes.

Re: Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit – and why users revolted

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From what I can tell, it’s not the users that revolted. It’s their unpaid moderator workforce striking in solidarity with the workers that used Apollo to improve their experience. I’m very curious to see what the resolution will be from Reddit’s side, but heading toward IPO while you’ve got a huge chunk of unpaid labor that makes your site work striking can’t be good for the strike price. The workers have the company…

I'm seeing a lot of similarities between Reddit benefiting greatly from their unpaid moderators and Apollo benefiting from them the same. As well as not even having to pay Reddit at all. Did Apollo ever even have to pay for anything whatsoever? Not really that surprising that business went away when the free lunch was over

I don't think that Apollo's lunch was free. Apollo gave Reddit free content, free content reviews (voting) that can be used for sorting, and free moderation, and all Reddit had to do was handle anti-bot mechanisms and host a centralized database. Maybe Reddit should have been paying Apollo.

If the roles were reversed and there were multiple database backends that people could choose from and Apollo was the only available front-end, it would be Apollo that could demand money from Reddit.

Re: Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit – and why users revolted

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Sure, but without those moderators there's not much of a site. I don't spent a lot of time thinking about trash collection, but if all the garbage on my street stopped being collected I'd absolutely notice.

> Sure, but without those moderators there's not much of a site. I believe moderators on Reddit like to think that they're that important and integral to the site functioning smoothly, but I think the reality is upvoting/downvoting/reporting works perfectly fine in nearly every subreddit. The only time it doesn't work is in places like r/AskHistorians or r/science which require high quality comments much like this pl…

> reporting

Wasn't reporting handled by the mods?

> You might argue with no moderation the subreddit would turn into a cesspool of reposts and memes - but who really cares?

Presumably the people who used the subreddit would care. It seems like you think Reddit was only for shitposting, that wasn't my experience. It was a collection of forums, each with their own norms.

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Sure, but without those moderators there's not much of a site. I don't spent a lot of time thinking about trash collection, but if all the garbage on my street stopped being collected I'd absolutely notice.

> Sure, but without those moderators there's not much of a site. I believe moderators on Reddit like to think that they're that important and integral to the site functioning smoothly, but I think the reality is upvoting/downvoting/reporting works perfectly fine in nearly every subreddit. The only time it doesn't work is in places like r/AskHistorians or r/science which require high quality comments much like this pl…

Who do you think receives and handles the reports?
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