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Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Zetice wrote: post #578
johnnyanmac wrote: post #502

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> The goal for sites like this is never "high quality content", it's "maximum traffic". so how do you feel about HN personally? >If that means low effort meme posts, who are you to slap those dollars out of his hand? If so, congrats. I'll keep searching and be glad some rags to riches site came about in a time of multibillion dollar empires. >these sites are for entertainment not elucidation and discovery. put it thi…

You are not a very desirable user for a company to attempt to sell ads to. You don’t fall for tricks, you don’t click on bait, you don’t generate value easily for the sites you use. The people who like memes are a lot easier to make money off of than you, and as much as people pretend to hare money, it’s the way we survive in this world.

>You are not a very desirable user for a company to attempt to sell ads to.

hence why a website that is not attempting to sell ads to me but has a sound monetization scheme is appealing. Not that I mind a site that uses ads (I have adblock but I wouldn't mind subscribing to something of value to get rid of ads), but one trying to rely on "non-desirable monetization" may have less memes in such a community.

I can certainly be wrong, but again: it's an interesting experiment I wouldn't mind trying out.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by johnnyanmac »

fho wrote: post #521
johnnyanmac wrote: post #403

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>Having it also cost money to use the site will help a bit, but it'll also filter out many good users due to not wanting to spend money on a subscription from my experience, there will be a LOT more ne'er do wells being filtered than good users. Not because there aren't a lot of good users, but simply because there are a lot more low effort ne'er do wells attracted to internet forums. Other users can still browse at…

> Because ofc the highest quality users aren't posting their ideas on public forums at all I don't think that's true. I published some of my privat projects only on reddit because I want to put them out there, but do not expect people to interact too much.

are these projects you pitched to acedemia? ones you would post in white papers? One you may consider selling on some sort of asset store for profit?

Not saying your project isn't high quality, but generally the most consistent stream of high quality projects has someone paying for them.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by moffkalast »

OtomotO wrote: post #201
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Ah yes, Webkit on mobile continues to be the bane of every web dev's existence.

Same for Firefox on Android

I didn't realize anyone cared about that one since unlike webkit, it's not something people are forced to use with no alternatives.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by johnnyanmac »

lozenge wrote: post #517
johnnyanmac wrote: post #382

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Yeah, I see what you mean, and it's definitely not clear enough to say whether or not this is just for posters or also commenters. I think this only works if you throttle votes (and assumedly, this only applies to voted on posts, not necessarily every comment), but that was one of the worst parts of Voat (from a technical standpoint, at least). There probably needs to be normal old infinite "I like this" votes and th…

I would just tell the bottom 95% of people they aren't getting anything at all. There is no point just paying somebody their subscription back. Now if you are posting your art regularly or similar, that's extra money that can go to you.

I'd rather not make it a winner take all arms race. We know that historically leads to sabatoge being the preferred tool of choice.

But sure, maybe it's better to set a floor for monetization, similar to how a YT channel needs 1000 subs to start being monetized. It's not valuable nor enticing for every user who posts something with 10 votes to collect 10 cents. Someone else did mention something about a $50 minimal withdrawal.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by spookthesunset »

The homepage needs to be the content. Without doing that you are gonna be dead in the water because only a small fraction of people are going to bother registering just to test the water.

Also look at how the current and past generations of forums grew up. Lots of time it was their site owner linking to the content on whatever site they are on...

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by OtomotO »

moffkalast wrote: post #603
OtomotO wrote: post #201

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Same for Firefox on Android

I didn't realize anyone cared about that one since unlike webkit, it's not something people are forced to use with no alternatives.

Well, with Firefox sync I am. I'll use ublock and noscript :)

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by cutemonster »

haroldp wrote: post #597
cutemonster wrote: post #547

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> financuially comfortable trolls out there that would still make a few dozen No, tens of thousands. Nation state actors have troll armies, and $2 extra per astro turfing account would be coffee money compared to the salaries they already pay their trolls. Websearch for 50 cent army

This doesn't work well. How do you pay the $2? With a credit card? Tens of thousands of accounts all with the same one? Tens of thousands of credit cards? In a 50 army, one individual can be paid a third world wage to register free accounts all day long to post comments. The cost of $2 per comment would massively outweigh their wages.

China is not a third world country any longer. It's competing with the US and Xi is doing fine.

Tens of thousands of credit cards or phone numbers or whatever - why not, do you think that would be a problem for such a nation state actor

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by fho »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #602
fho wrote: post #521

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> Because ofc the highest quality users aren't posting their ideas on public forums at all I don't think that's true. I published some of my privat projects only on reddit because I want to put them out there, but do not expect people to interact too much.

are these projects you pitched to acedemia? ones you would post in white papers? One you may consider selling on some sort of asset store for profit? Not saying your project isn't high quality, but generally the most consistent stream of high quality projects has someone paying for them.

> are these projects you pitched to acedemia? ones you would post in white papers? One you may consider selling on some sort of asset store for profit?

No, for privat projects I am mostly reinventing wheels. But, in some sense, I actually pitched them collectively during my job hunt.

My interests are spread pretty far, so my hobby projects range from building ambisonic microphones over reimplementing interesting algorithms like WFC to implementing Navient Stokes equations in JAX to optimize airfoils in a differentiable CFD simulator.

My new job reflects that, I am pretty happy with that :-)

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by haroldp »

cutemonster wrote: post #607
haroldp wrote: post #597

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This doesn't work well. How do you pay the $2? With a credit card? Tens of thousands of accounts all with the same one? Tens of thousands of credit cards? In a 50 army, one individual can be paid a third world wage to register free accounts all day long to post comments. The cost of $2 per comment would massively outweigh their wages.

China is not a third world country any longer. It's competing with the US and Xi is doing fine. Tens of thousands of credit cards or phone numbers or whatever - why not, do you think that would be a problem for such a nation state actor

> China is not a third world country any longer.

You miss the point. A 50 cent army is feasible when you are paying third world wages. If Chinese wage increases price them out of the market, then you can just hire people from somewhere else. But it's the low wages that make such an attack possible. Low wages vs high wages don't matter much when you are spending $200/hr per soldier on Reddit account fees.

If China wants to launch a state-level attack on Reddit they are probably better off pressuring Tencent to pressure Reddit to just do what they want.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by jjcm »

all2 wrote: post #427
jjcm wrote: post #415

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Obviously I can’t defend “all content types” to the level that say, the darkweb can. I’ll still abide by the law. That said, I don’t have the pressure of ad networks to filter out content. I still have pressures however. Using Stripe and credit cards for payment processing means I have to ensure the sites primary purpose isn’t adult content, as if that content dominates its very likely Stripe will choose to no longer…

Are you going to Gab levels of defense? Their stance has been "if it is legal speech in the US, then it is allowed on the platform" is one that grates many people the wrong way. It allows for blatant racism, science denial, questioning of hallowed institutions, holocaust denial , and so on.

Thats a great question, one that I suspect few of us aside from seasoned moderators (such as dang) or platform runners are an authority on.

My current stance is to be a moderation centrist rather than an extremist. There are sharks in the waters of both unmoderated content and overmoderated content. What I'll optimize for is what will facilitate the health of the platform overall. In my eyes things like hate speech, science/holocaust denial, etc, aren't healthy for a platform. I'll almost certainly make errors along the way, like every platform does. While I believe my financial model is new and innovative, I don't have something similar for moderation. I'll be using similar tools as others, so I'll value any input anyone has here.

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