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Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by midoridensha »

steveBK123 wrote: post #650
midoridensha wrote: post #644

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Did you miss the part about the OP's windows having a factory tint? They came that way from the factory; it wasn't an aftermarket add-on. So, these windows must therefore be in compliance with the federal rules for motor vehicles, or else the car couldn't be sold in the US. It should not be possible for a state to pass and enforce motor vehicle laws that override the federal government.

I'd be curious on the exact veracity. For example, limo tint to which he refers is usually restricted to the rear seats. My European brand SUV also has tinted windows in the rear but not the front. So is his car truly pure factory, or any chance it was a dealer or aftermarket mod to tint the front to match the rear.. as this is something people commonly do (I did not).

He's specifically said multiple times now that this is a factory tint. I don't know why you and the other guy keep questioning this.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by midoridensha »

grepfru_it wrote: post #659
midoridensha wrote: post #644

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Did you miss the part about the OP's windows having a factory tint? They came that way from the factory; it wasn't an aftermarket add-on. So, these windows must therefore be in compliance with the federal rules for motor vehicles, or else the car couldn't be sold in the US. It should not be possible for a state to pass and enforce motor vehicle laws that override the federal government.

Did you miss the fact that Land Rover tints rear windows and never the front windows from the factory? Regardless, if you drive to a state that mandates tint at a certain level it doesn't matter what factory it came out of.. you're still breaking the law.

Did you miss the part where the OP said multiple times that this is a factory tint?

Yes, it DOES matter what factory it came from. Cars sold in the US must conform to federal regulations in order to be sold in the US, so it's impossible for a car to be built in a factory and legally sold in the US which is illegal to drive on US roads. No, states cannot override federal regulations.

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

rafram wrote: post #570
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #272

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Could easily make the same argument when some city spends 3 billion to build a 4 mile subway extension. The fare recovery rate is absolutely terrible in the US. Expecting 100% isn't exactly necessary, but NYC is at 20%. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farebox_recovery_ratio

The “farebox recovery ratio” of a road is usually zero. Roads are funded through taxes (with the exception of some toll highways). Why can’t transit be the same?

There's not only the gas tax to think about, but also that every road also enables the truck that inevitably delivers goods to your grocery store to get there.

The subway system is only possibly used by those who live near a station and are traveling near another station, and tourists.

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Post by brailsafe »

welshwelsh wrote: post #396
brailsafe wrote: post #175

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I would assume you're right in NYC, but I feel like this claim is made A LOT to sort of excuse car driving in many cities with different degrees of transit availability and threat risk. I feel like most of the time it's more accurate to say "people fear for their safety" rather than that their concerns are actually valid. Fear can be driven by only a few extreme examples that get a lot of coverage, meanwhile a lot of…

Violent crime might be rare, but unpleasant interactions with strangers are common. Panhandling, for example, can make people feel unsafe. You can never be sure how a person will react if you say no. It's illegal to panhandle on the subway, but still happens all the time.

I guess my point was the delta between how unsafe people are and how unsafe they feel. While it's important to build and improve systems like transit in a way that helps people feel comfortable, a whole lot of any given car driving majority that would make an argument against safety are probably some of the same people who'd buy a gun to ward against a hypothetical situation where someone is targeting them with another gun.

I never had these fears, the car I already had was just the easier option, until it broke down. If someone were to consult me about my transit experience (albeit in a very different place) I'd tell them "Ya, sometimes there are panhandlers, sometimes there are super drunk people, but tbh I can't remember any specific examples because they're just random background noise from time to time". Meanwhile there are plenty of times I've almost been killed by cars in relatively mundane situations that I can remember specific examples of, including those I almost caused while driving and making a trivial mistake.

Should people be more concerned about hypothetical discomfort resulting from someone asking for money, or the very predictable consumption of time, energy, money, and every day life altering risk of one wrong move by anyone around them?

The latter doesn't mean I never drive, but for the 2-3 weeks a year I might need one, I just rent it, and then I'm reminded of why I don't want one, but it's nice sometimes.

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Post by spopejoy »

steveBK123 wrote: post #606
jprete wrote: post #592

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> Also, you can presently get there by bus - https://new.mta.info/guides/beaches/jones-beach That route is absolutely awful. For a typical NYC resident - not even "typical working-class" but anyone - going one-way is 75-100 minutes, two transfers, and around $25-30 per person, while carrying everything you need for the beach. Only the last 20 minutes are actually by bus.

Compared to what? I mean.. what good beaches can you get to from NYC, even by car, in 75-100min? That's like how long it takes me to drive to Jones Beach, from Brooklyn, on a good day.

Amazing how many NYCers miss out on Rockaway Beach.

Much shorter drive. Accessible by subway. Just a better beach than Jones -- far superior food and entertainment at the concessions, and way way bigger.

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Post by [deleted] »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #132
ghaff wrote: post #109

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>Even assuming those folks are correct, it doesn't really matter, because these taxes are incredibly effective. It's eye-opening to see how a nearly insignificant tax (literal pennies per bag) changes the behavior of everyone. Yep. People have discovered that it's pretty easy to make it a habit to carry a small bag if you live in a city and just keep some bags in the car if you're driving to the store--and it's gener…

That nice bag also accounts for >300x more CO2 than the plastic bag it replaced.

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Post by muh_gradle »

rafram wrote: post #629
muh_gradle wrote: post #622

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Have you ever visited the 155th station? Maybe you should actually try living in the city before talking. Or maybe Penn station which is next to the biggest methadone clinic in the city. If you think that I'm saying the station is literally covered from floor to ceiling with feces and syringes, then no that's not what I'm saying. But maybe you're just so comfortable with the griminess that it doesn't bother you.

I live in New York City, but no, I haven’t spent time in a random local station near Sugar Hill. Not sure why that would invalidate the rest of my experience. Penn Station is fine. Methadone is taken orally (as a drink) to treat addiction and no syringes are involved, so the methadone clinic wouldn’t have anything to do with syringes in the station.

> Penn Station is fine.

Yeah you either don't live in NYC, or you just have a lower standard for basic hygiene. But let's agree to disagree.

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Post by [deleted] »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #195
George83728 wrote: post #189

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Pros and cons for cotton bags: Pros: Never spills my groceries onto the sidewalk when I'm walking home. Looks nice. Cons: The CO2 emissions of producing... one square yard of cotton cloth. (Btw, how many pairs of pants do you own? Probably more than you need, I bet.) Yeah, looks like I'll be sticking with my cotton bag.

You do you. Just don't try to force people through legislation to adopt your style. Nobody wants to ban your cotton bag.

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Post by dangus »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #135
dangus wrote: post #61

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In my experience people who claim they are libertarians are against all forms of government regulation and taxation. But it doesn't really matter to me if my characterization of libertarians isn't 100% accurate because I have no respect for anyone who calls themselves libertarian in any way. That ideology is a swirling bag of contradictions and people who claim to be libertarian usually just circle back around to bei…

> In my experience people who claim they are libertarians are against all forms of government regulation and taxation. > But it doesn't really matter to me if my characterization of libertarians isn't 100% accurate because I have no respect for anyone who calls themselves libertarian in any way. Tell me you've never spoken to a libertarian without telling me you've never spoken to a libertarian.

Do libertarians even exist? I'm being serious.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by dangus »

cyberax wrote: post #90
dangus wrote: post #23

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This anecdote is basically another way of saying the incentives of urban design align and become self-fulfilling prophecies. Suburban dwellers stuck in the automobile mindset automatically assume that big cities must have the most horrendous traffic. It's seems like a logical conclusion: if traffic in my 50,000 person suburb is horrendous, it must be downright horrific in the big city. But that's not really how it wo…

> Suburban dwellers stuck in the automobile mindset automatically assume that big cities must have the most horrendous traffic. Have you driven in Manhattan?

Why would I drive in Manhattan?

"Traffic" isn't just cars, it's also bikes, walking, and transit – it's the flow of people moving from one place to another.

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