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MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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It's not altruism if it's your source of income. Sorry but I don't buy this bs. He's doing it to generate income, that's all. Altruism is "unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others" but we have quite the opposite here - a selfish way of milking poor people for emotions in order to generate income. Real altruism is hard and done only by a few. Literally EVERY man/woman/child on this planet will say yes…

I listened to an interview with him and Lex Friedman a while ago. Interesting discussion. He's very systematic and data driven and that's part of what drives the success of his channel. A lot of what he does is indeed ruthlessly optimized to tap into whatever it is people appreciate across the different social media channel he targets. The guy undeniably has some serious skills and he's built a highly effective revenue engine around the most pointless thing on this planet which is people spending hours looking at whatever big for profit social media companies feed them via their algorithms. It's a big market opportunity to tap into and he's done so effectively.

Instead of getting hung up on what is or isn't altruism, the other point of view here is that he leaves a trail of people that are objectively better off having encountered him. That's advertising money that is spent on worthy causes. Yes, it's self serving. But that money also serves the people he helps. It's an interesting dynamic. Ceasing to do what he does would actually be bad for the people that are on the receiving end of this. So, why should he?

He's found a way to funnel of some of the stupid money slushing around on the social media platforms. There are billions of it. And he's managing to do something more interesting with it than just squirreling it away. Compare that with the average influencer, viral marketing expert, troll farm or other sources of clickbait that are thriving on these platforms. At least this goes somewhere vaguely useful. Good for him and whoever is on the receiving end. And if he pockets some of that, how much worse is that than all the other nonsense on those platforms where most of the publishers just pocket 100% the revenue? I'm not judging that either.

If you are going to watch stuff on Tik Tok, Youtube, or whatever, you might as well watch his. Best case some random people benefit from this, worst case you watch some silly nonsense and are mildly entertained by that. Either way you feel good and nobody is getting hurt. I don't watch this stuff myself but that's just because I have other things to watch that I find more interesting.

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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post #80

It's not altruism if it's your source of income. Sorry but I don't buy this bs. He's doing it to generate income, that's all. Altruism is "unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others" but we have quite the opposite here - a selfish way of milking poor people for emotions in order to generate income. Real altruism is hard and done only by a few. Literally EVERY man/woman/child on this planet will say yes…

I listened to an interview with him and Lex Friedman a while ago. Interesting discussion. He's very systematic and data driven and that's part of what drives the success of his channel. A lot of what he does is indeed ruthlessly optimized to tap into whatever it is people appreciate across the different social media channel he targets. The guy undeniably has some serious skills and he's built a highly effective reven…

Couldn't agree more

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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post #4

My kids love Mr Beast. I'm uncomfortable with it and can't put my finger on it. It feels like he makes life look like you stand a good chance of having someone walk in and give you $100,000. Maybe there is no harm in thinking that? But it feels like the same thing as buying a lottery ticket. I guess YouTube is free? But is the time spent on that channel worth it over doing other things? I admire the approach he takes…

MrBeast is exactly the media phenomenon a broken system would come up with in some 80s cyberpunk movie, as a bandaid to give people the illusion of hope: the 'happy hour' show in a boring dystopia.

That is not MrBeasts fault, it's the environment's. Say you see MrBeast give thousands of people help, and you have the same problem as these people - sure, you're happy for the other people but why didn't you get any help? The show is over, you're left alone, your problem is currently not interesting.

Edit: There is also the power gradient in all of this performance that this video[0] highlights well. Nobody can complain about how they're being treated or portrayed, because they are in need. That is taking away something from the people who receive something, this kind of charity treats them as less - they're extras on stage.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LfJ-VxuqIQ

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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post #198

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> Despite what you've been taught, every act of charity comes from a selfish need (ego). This may be some kind of projection or just your personal opinion of society and human motivation. You aren't inside the brains of every human and can't possibly know everyone's motivations at all times. It's quite possible that some or many of them experience authentic altruism.

The idea, cynical as it may seem, comes from the perspective that the feedback loops that govern basic behavior are set up for survival and that things that make you happy are more like survival than not. So it becomes very difficult if you introspect deep enough to not answer "why did you do that" with "it made me feel good" which is viewable as selfish. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/imperfect-spirituali..…

Seems to me you've just selected a prior perspective - "the feedback loops that govern basic behavior are set up for survival" - which doesn't allow for altruism.

I see reasoning like this online all the time. A person donates $10 billion, and people say they it must have given them a warm fuzzy feeling, and that feeling is by definition worth $10 billion, because that's what they paid for it. As if the idea of selflessness or human goodness or anything existing outside the real of rational economic exchange is so challenging they find it more plausible that a warm feeling is worth $10 billion.

(Not that I think MrBeast is particularly an example of altruism - although it's probably an example of good)

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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post #279

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"Do you think he could actually get a law changed and help more people than he already did?" The most popular YT video creator could probably start a fairly large lobbying effort although yes, the multi-trillion dollar US for-profit health insurance industry could probably do better. "Why wouldn't a "Mr Beast goes to Washington" style video get as many views as his direct support videos got?" It might, there's only o…

Team Trees and Team Seas weren't enough? Good lord, y'all are just never satisfied with charity work. "Mr Beast literally cured blindness for a thousand people and gave them a bunch of money, no strings attached." "Yeah but he did it for views!" So what?! He markedly improved 1000 peoples' lives in the process. What have YOU done today? Get over yourselves.

> What have YOU done today?

None of us are in his position to make as much change though. Are we not allowed to criticize someone that has far more power than us for not using it to its full potential?

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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post #80

It's not altruism if it's your source of income. Sorry but I don't buy this bs. He's doing it to generate income, that's all. Altruism is "unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others" but we have quite the opposite here - a selfish way of milking poor people for emotions in order to generate income. Real altruism is hard and done only by a few. Literally EVERY man/woman/child on this planet will say yes…

Others have put it better than I have.

But I don't see how his impact is absolutely ZERO when he's at least given 1000 people his vision back.

There's pranking people for money online, then there is giving people life altering treatments for free.

Imagine having a life where you make money helping people and bringing joy to other people's lives. The only caveat is that those people are featured on a video... that they agree to.

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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This is an income stream for him- is it really altruism if you make money off doing it? His "altriusm" doesn't really impact society at all . It is more targeted to individuals so he can make money off the videos going viral. I mean, as an example - Keanu Reeves (IMO) is also altruistic and probably has had a far greater impact on society for the greater good than MrBeast, but no one ever talks about him. This is bec…

It's the other way around for Mr. Beast, though. Keanu happens to have a huge load of money from doing other things like acting. And as a side note, he is widely talked about on various internet communities like Reddit and gets a huge amount of respect for being an awesome person. (I see much more about him on the internet than Mr. Beast to be honest -- Mr. Beast is mostly confined to the Youtube world.)

Mr. Beast, on the other hand, uses this charitable content creation model to make money to give away. If you remove the advertising, monetizing, etc., Mr. Beast has nothing to give away. That's the genius of the model.

Whether Mr. Beast is altruistic is the topic of 90% of this HN thread, and yet we'll never be able to answer it without knowing his true internal intentions. IMO, whether he's altruistic is irrelevant. He does so much more good for people than the vast majority of individuals or business that it seems odd to critique it.

To me, it's pretty awesome that someone found a way to hack the (often morally dubious) content creation business model into giving away a vast amount of the ad/sponsor income. Any other creator, that money funds the creator and production of content. And we don't typically complain about that, as long as we get entertaining/educational/artistic content we enjoy. (Some of our capitalist senses might even say it's totally fine to get rich off this model.)

Mr. Beast works within the exact same business model while also giving a huge amount of money away, in a way that a lot of people (though obviously not the HN crowd) enjoy. And yet we're complaining about that use of the content creator business model. But when no money is given away, it's fine?

What are we even critiquing!? I'm not even sure Mr. Beast himself would say that this model is truly altruistic. He has always been very transparent and honest about how it works.

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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post #80

It's not altruism if it's your source of income. Sorry but I don't buy this bs. He's doing it to generate income, that's all. Altruism is "unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others" but we have quite the opposite here - a selfish way of milking poor people for emotions in order to generate income. Real altruism is hard and done only by a few. Literally EVERY man/woman/child on this planet will say yes…

He managed to build a self sustaining form of altruism that doesn't depend on taxes or a field of call centers harassing people for donations, that has to be worth something, regardless of the ultimate motive.

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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Then they'll resent you and watch it on their friends' phones anyway when they can. And they'll suffer socially because they won't be able to talk with other kids at the lunch table about the most recent episode.

If you're worried about them resenting you, do you just let them do anything they want?

If the things they're doing with that freedom aren't too bad, I don't see why not.

Re: MrBeast has become a viral sensation for his acts of altruism

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post #277

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Terrible fucking take that could only come from HN. How many cataract surgeries have you funded? How many pounds of trash have you cleaned up from the ocean? Let's hear what a big impact you're having if Mr. Beast's impact is 0.

If you give me millions of dollars for it? I could clean tons of trash yes, or fund a lot of cataract surgeries. I can found hundreds of thousands if by the end of the year I'm left with more money than I started. Awesome idea.

Ifs and buts, my friend. Only thing we know for sure is you haven't. And MrBeast has.
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