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Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by lonk11 »

alvarezbjm-hn wrote: post #370
yywwbbn wrote: post #298

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> As it stands I don't make any money on this, I just do it for fun. But with a site like non.io there's no reason for me _not_ to post my content there. I’m obviously not targeting this at you but a business model likes this (paying fractions of a penny per upvote) is not likely to attract high quality content. In fact the opposite it incentives a quantity over quality approach (i.e. content has to be just good enou…

What if there was a large button for upvote, and beside a smaller button for 100x upvote? Regular users can upvote 100 cat pictures for their dopamine hit, and when they find an ACTUALLY VALUABLE post they can look for the small button.

Medium did this with "claps". Press once for a single clap. Press and hold to add multiple claps proportional to the time you hold it.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by devdas »

adammarples wrote: post #327
bee_rider wrote: post #145

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If everyone chips in $1, and their $1 is split between all the things they’ve upvoted, isn’t the financial incentive to produce posts that are upvoted by people who don’t typically upvote? That actually seems like a pretty interesting incentive.

Yes it seems quite clever. People who upvote zero effort memes willy nilly will spread their share thin.

There are a lot more people who upvote zero effort memes though.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by lonk11 »

throwaway689236 wrote: post #428
jjcm wrote: post #197

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> I want a site that rewards quality, not view counts. That's what the objective of the site is. Viewing doesn't reward anything (whereas views do reward in the video you just linked). My hope as well is that for nonio, knowing you're contributing a share of your monthly pool will make people more conscientious about what they upvote, thus improving quality.

As an option, to rank items, you can use the amount of money that the item has earned instead of just the number of upvotes. You can even replace upvotes number in the UI as well. This way frequent meme-upvoters will have less sway over more picky users. It'd be easier to register astroturfing accounts and to promote something to the top, though.

One issue is that the amount per upvote is only known at the end of the month - only then you know how many upvoted to split the $1 over.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by bitwize »

Everybody's been working on a Reddit-like platform, including Paul Graham, who called his Hackernews.

I think it's fine if you realize that the value lies in the community, not the platform itself. Online communities used to cluster around the 31 flavors of forum/web BBS, so if you have interesting topics to build a small community around your software may flourish based on those.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by janalsncm »

gcanyon wrote: post #461
jodrellblank wrote: post #251

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> “ it has a business model ” What’s that story about the economist who was trying to concentrate but there were kids playing soccer below his window and being noisy, so he went out and offered them $1 each if they come back and played tomorrow. The next day he offered them 50c, then 25c, and after that 5c, and the kids got annoyed “we wouldn’t come here to play for a measly five cents!” and stormed off, and didn’t c…

Daniel Ariely had a great analogy for this: Your grandmother cooks an amazing dinner each Thanksgiving, for nothing but your love and thanks. If at the end of the meal you said, “Great dinner, Gran, here’s for your trouble,” and handed her a $20, how do you think she’d react?

Presumably this board is populated by pseudoanonymous people, not my grandma though. I don’t feel weird about paying a stranger to cook my food, I feel weird about paying someone I know because it changes a familial relationship into something it never was: a transactional one.

But this does suggest that it would be different to comment on a board like this. People wouldn’t just be making comments for the joy of discussion, they would be making comments with their hands out for a tip.

I think this incentivizes low investment drive-by comments, but perhaps this could be fixed as well. For example, you don’t have to display the actual upvotes/downvotes score of a comment, you can display and sort by a score which is a function of those things and additional information about the quality of that comment, incentivizing comments which are both popular and insightful.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by janalsncm »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #452
ric2b wrote: post #402

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This has been tried in the cryptocurrency space, people start faking accounts to upvote their content and make money. So basically what already happens with reddit/twitter/etc but amplified because you give them a direct financial incentive to upvote low effort crap.

That doesn't really work when they have to pay for each account they use to upvote though. Even if they boost their own post a bit for it to get the attention of others, they're still paying $2 per upvote for that. And if their post is no good, people might even just cancel those out with downvotes.

It is essentially a perfect recipe for money laundering.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by binarysneaker »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #409
jjcm wrote: post #84

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100% agree with everything said here. My original plan was to pay for ~100 users accounts and seed the site with content for a proper launch. Given what's happening today though, it felt at least pertinent to show off the current state and get some feedback. The balance between splash page on landing / landing on content is a hard one, but I think you're right. I am worried though that without conveying the initial b…

you should try and get an API that has full parity with Reddit, an app that does that will replace Reddit because all third party apps simply need to change urls for Reddit to your domain.

THIS. This is the pro move.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by spc476 »

neogodless wrote: post #106
SkyMarshal wrote: post #50

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Mostly agree. The screenshot in the top right looks good, like professional app I might actually use. But I want to actually browse the site and check it out without first slogging through a registration process. If it’s free to view/browse anyway, then enable doing that without registering. Register and pay if you want to post. Edit: You can browse without registering after all, here’s the link: https://non.io/#all…

Oof, I clicked one of those posts and immediately lost all back-button functionality to an endless stream of history events.

I tried right clicking to open the link in a new tab, and found I couldn't. What is it with these bespoke browsers written in JavaScript?

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by daniel_iversen »

I’ve noticed people are entering a lot of test content on the app which ruins the experience for new users. Why don’t you force people to enter a title and either a picture or a description? And block posts with the word “test” that are under 20 characters or something? Just to make the front page better and not ruin the conversion rate for new people.. just a thought!
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