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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Bluestrike2 wrote: post #665
neuronic wrote: post #595

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Many traffic jams occur for no other reason than human behavior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qy6MrDcukk Autopilots immediately get rid of that so I would disagree and argue the less humans the better. Have fun playing around with the "politeness" lever for example: https://traffic-simulation.de/

Sure, but that's just one part of the traffic congestion problem. Add more cars, and whatever efficiency gains you gained from eliminating weird and inefficient human behavior rippling outward and causing random traffic jams will be more than outweighed by the presence of additional cars. Each additional car takes up ~15 feet plus the distance to the next car. That adds up very quickly, and when you consider the pres…

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by ETH_start »

worik wrote: post #698
ETH_start wrote: post #445

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"That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it." Any computerized system is only going to advance over time, with its theoretical limits far beyond the current state of the technology. So full self-driving is clearly inevitable.

> Any computerized system is only going to advance over time, with its theoretical limits far beyond the current state of the technology. That is not true

Name one class of software, or more pertinently, one class of AI, where that is not true.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by Thorrez »

h4ckerle wrote: post #704
Thorrez wrote: post #671

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Apparently in Italy the speed limit is strictly enforced by automated cameras. If you go more than 5% over, you'll get a fine.

Wait... Does the US not have speed cameras?

Hmm, some states do. I didn't know that. The majority don't. California doesn't.

For the ones that do, I would guess they have more leniency than 5%, but I don't know.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by jacquesm »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #733
thebradbain wrote: post #675

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Ah yes! Would love to know how the crowd that protests better public transit, pedestrian paths and bike lanes as “taking away space from cars” will respond to roads being further clogged with… empty cars? We’re really going to spend billions and billions on further car infrastructure, more reduction in space-constrained cities towards pedestrian and bike infrastructure, and even the displacement of existing homes and…

> roads being further clogged with… empty cars Presumably the car is going to pick someone up. That means it isn't parked being useless. If this starts working at scale, supply and demand will pull ridesharing costs down in a way that reduces ownership.

It might go somewhere to pick up a package.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by prmoustache »

Justsignedup wrote: post #759
prmoustache wrote: post #747

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I rented a car with that kind of assistance yesterday and I found it annoying that the steering wheel give you some resistance when you want to go back to the main lane after overtaking a car on the opposite one!

You need to use turn signals. Using those the algos know what line crossings to expect. My dad went through this because it forced him to start signalling. This is also probably why I'm seen more and more BMWs use turn signals... maybe it wasn't faulty turn signal wiring after all (/s)

Thanks for that. I definitely use turn signals when changing lane to overtake but indeed I don't necessarily do it when returning to the main lane because it is implicit. I am not supposed to drive on the opposite lane indifinetely once the overtake is complete and I am faster than the other car so no warning is needed.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by cbsmith »

gonehome wrote: post #313
cbsmith wrote: post #287

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> Yeah this isn’t beating Tesla to anything. They beat Tesla to being certified in California as Level 3, with restrictions.

anything that matters (which was implied by the rest of my comment) They can check a box and make this press release though, I guess that’s worth something.

It means the headline is not wrong.

You're also kind of walking a fine line on the "No True Scotsman" concept...

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by vGPU »

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

I’ve been very impressed with some openpilot forks. In some instances I managed to drive 70 miles on the highway without having to make a single correction. It’s about what I want from self driving - keep me in my lane, and keep me from rear-ending the car in front of me. I would never trust tech to let me take a nap while driving.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by harambae »

okdood64 wrote: post #674
gzer0 wrote: post #43

Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

> Only during the daylight This makes no sense to me based on the technology used. Cruise actually previously had a permit to ONLY operate at night.

In addition to radar and lidar, they use cameras for something according to the article. That's probably the component that doesn't work as well as night. (If I had to guess what the cameras are for maybe traffic light detection, lane detection, and human review of video after an incident)

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by baby »

prmoustache wrote: post #746
baby wrote: post #422

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The driver test is super hard and expensive in France. Never got it for this reason even after spending 1k euro on it. Came to the US and got the driver license in a week for like 200$ including lessons lol

> Never got it for this reason even after spending 1k euro on it. Really? In order to pass the test you have to pass the theory test which is just about knowing the rules of the road. Yes many experienced drivers wouldn't always pass it first time, especially when it has been a long time they got their license and laws have changed but you get it quite easily by just ready the "rulebook" and do trial tests at your dr…

Me and a bunch of friends failed the test the first time, and then I had to wait 6 months to pass it again. If you try to pass it without going through a school it’s the same wait time.

The booklet is also pretty big, and the trial tests are pretty hard with hard questions.

In the US I just went there and passed it on the spot. Super easy. No way anyone with half a brain could fail it. The code book is so small, there are barely any rules compared to France. Worse than that you’re barely supervised. Some lady yelled “no phones allowed” to a girl passing the test on the computer with her family around her lol.

Then I just drove with my gf who already had the driver license (legal in the US). Took 2 hours of lessons. 2 weeks later I was passing the driving test. Super easy as well.

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Post by sandos »

CaptainPistache wrote: post #742
des1nderlase wrote: post #572

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I'm from EU, and i've been driving both manual and automatic transmission. I can testify that auto transmission is safer, your hands are 100% at the steering wheel. Most people cannot turn and change gear at the same time. I've also spend quite a bit time in US driving. EU is safer as narrower streets/lanes and smaller number of lanes (on highways), closer parked cars and pedestrians/bicycles forces you to pay much m…

> Most people cannot turn and change gear at the same time. That's just not true. If you cannot do that, you won't get your driver's license in most countries.

Sweden has very strict tests for the drivers license, and afaik you can easily pass those without ever turning (more than a fairly small bit) and changing the gear at the same time. With the planning you are supposed to learn this is kind of a natural consequence.
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