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Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by andersrs »

I just tried it and it could do with improvement.

* How do I post a link. I just want to post a damn link. Images, audio, blogs not no link option... The page I'm trying to post already has meta tags with a the description and thumbnail so I want you to suck that content down.

* So whatever I posted an 'image' with a link in the content. The link didn't actually turn into an

* I clicked on some post and a video started playing WITH SOUND!

* The financials page says I have over $800 in my wallet. Lol OKAY let's go!

* I connect my stripe only to find that it won't work for non-US people.

* I guess I'll just cancel now but the cancel sub button is broken.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Zedseayou wrote: post #349
haroldp wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences Just charging $2 might be a huge improvement over reddit because it makes sock puppets cost too much to scale. Paying out for upvotes, I fear will incentivize lowest-common-denominator content. If you go to a quality tech subreddit and sort by "Top" comments, they will mostly be memes. They won't be from an expert solving your very specific problem. And m…

Do you actually think sock puppets will be too expensive? The value of the bot only has to be more than $2 to justify paying it for the bot operator, and if there is monetary incentive to get upvotes/attention seems like it could pencil out (if N bots can generate some multiplier of attention)

Actually, yes. many trolls do it simply because it's easy to do. adding even a $1 barrier to entry would cull a lot.

Ofc there are determined and financuially comfortable trolls out there that would still make a few dozen, but those few are easier to stamp out without the noise of low effort trolls.

>if there is monetary incentive to get upvotes/attention seems like it could pencil out

worst case, it helps pay for the server. But yes, this is the equivalent of a KS campaign being partially self-funded to make it seem like others are interested. There are likely dozens of other tricks that such a community would reveal.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by bogwog »

I really like the idea of a place where a creator can post anything. The upvotes = money angle makes me skeptical, but idk, maybe it could work.

I know you just launched, so you're probably thinking about this already, but from what I've seen in the loginless browsing link, discoverability is nothing like reddit. It just feels like an unorganized dump of content, like I accidentally opened a link to a spam blog, or opened the "federated" tab on a mastodon server.

If I was looking to join a community, I wouldn't know where to start. I see tags under random posts, but it seems like some posts don't have tags, and I can even add tags to other peoples' posts myself. It all seems too fluid and ephemeral, and I have to spend too much time trying to connect stuff together in my head. By contrast, it's obvious how a subreddit works to most people, and it's easy to find the content you're interested in.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by DirkH »

hansworst wrote: post #234
haroldp wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences Just charging $2 might be a huge improvement over reddit because it makes sock puppets cost too much to scale. Paying out for upvotes, I fear will incentivize lowest-common-denominator content. If you go to a quality tech subreddit and sort by "Top" comments, they will mostly be memes. They won't be from an expert solving your very specific problem. And m…

I wonder though whether people will upvote differently knowing that there's real money involved.

I keep thinking there should be two upvotes. One that is just internet points and one that is a paying-upvote.

That way you can interact with the site and upvote shitty memes as you normally would, but when it is time to be serious you'll using the paying-upvote instead.

Reddit kinda landes on a similar formula with Reddit gold.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by brody_hamer »

How will you combat plagiarism?

I wouldn’t want to see someone else profiting off my content.

I’m guessing you’d place a hold on any payout, until you’ve reviewed their content? But I’m thinking about the claims / reporting process.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by johnnyanmac »

wlesieutre wrote: post #40
idiotsecant wrote: post #32

The idea of posters getting real money instead of fake internet points when their posts do well seems interesting, but maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences. Moderation will be extremely important to prevent low-effort memes and content regurgitation and the like from saturating your main channels. Have you considered how you will encourage moderation and keep it free from the corrosive influen…

Another moderation risk is that whoever is moderating has an incentive to delete people’s potentially successful posts and repost under their own or a friend’s alt account

I think the simplest around that is to pay the moderators. So given the $2

- $1 goes to the server

- $.67 goes to the users you upvote

- $.33 goes to the moderator(s) of the group you upvoted in.

So there's actual incentive to want to mod to begin with, and less incentive to risk that by trying to game for post votes as well.

Now ofc I already see a half dozen issues here, so we'd need to deviate strongly from reddit to make this work:

- you can't just create subs willy-nilly. You don't even want that in the beginning anyway because you shouldn't splinter a small community. There would need to be a formal way to talk to an admin and request any new sub. Or at least, we need to delineate from a monetized sub vs. non-monetized, with ways to transition from one to the other.

- This encourages small mod groups and you don't want mods to be able to pick/kick at will now that money is involved. Again, new mods would need some more admin intervention for moderator changes.

- As you can assume, A senior mod won't be equal to a newly recruited mod. So it probably isn't the best idea to spread that mod fund equally per se.

- Mod posts would need to be taken into account as well. Maybe moderators (and possible alts) can't make money off their own posts to avoid double dipping

Lot of interesting ideas to go about. So I hope this site does at least get some visibility

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by tester457 »

jodrellblank wrote: post #251
janalsncm wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the flip side, the fact that this is a crowded space means that there’s a demand for it. And this isn’t a Reddit clone, it has a business model which is pretty close to the best anyone could hope for in my opinion. In any case, I applaud any efforts that could unseat Reddit or make them reconsider their greedy hard line. I encourage the creator of Non.io to identify the key shortcomings of Reddit and improve upon…

> “ it has a business model ” What’s that story about the economist who was trying to concentrate but there were kids playing soccer below his window and being noisy, so he went out and offered them $1 each if they come back and played tomorrow. The next day he offered them 50c, then 25c, and after that 5c, and the kids got annoyed “we wouldn’t come here to play for a measly five cents!” and stormed off, and didn’t c…

Overjustification effect in action.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by zem »

shmatt wrote: post #95
jjcm wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did, but they weren't a fan of the paid model for interaction: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/147qzfb...

I swear, the current protests have shined a very odd light on the average commenting Redditor, they want * The website to be free * The API to be cheap * The ability to use a 3rd party app that does not track, advertise, or monetize you in any way * VCs to continue to pour hundreds of millions of dollars to run the site and never ask for an ROI Good luck kids

absolutely. and ironically that's the one thing i would be willing to pay for - the ability to keep the site as free (as-in-beer) as possible for everyone. any gating of actual features or capabilities behind a paywall just turns me off the site, not in a "how dare they" sense but simply in a "good luck to them but the site is completely irrelevant to me now" sense.
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