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Re: TV is broken

#11

Perhaps a better title would be "advertising on TV is broken". No one pays any attention to it anymore. And most people I know, like me, don't even have broadcast TV. Or cable. I watch shows, yes, on DVD -- and largely on my own terms. No adverts.

No it is tv that is broken. I have some channels that don't have ads at all (not even between shows) but I don't watch them, because you have to watch at a particular time, can't really pause them and the movies are years old.

Re: TV is broken

#12
post #11

Perhaps a better title would be "advertising on TV is broken". No one pays any attention to it anymore. And most people I know, like me, don't even have broadcast TV. Or cable. I watch shows, yes, on DVD -- and largely on my own terms. No adverts.

No it is tv that is broken. I have some channels that don't have ads at all (not even between shows) but I don't watch them, because you have to watch at a particular time, can't really pause them and the movies are years old.

"and the movies are years old."

... and, that's bad? Personally, most of the movies I might want to watch are certainly in black-and-white anyhow.

Re: TV is broken

#13
Very interesting anecdotes, but I don't see how it shows that TV is "broken", other than OP's daughter thinking it was broken when first exposed to commercials. Additionally, Hulu / Hulu+ and streaming shows directly from a network's exposes you to as many commercial breaks (albeit shorter) as watching a show on cable.

Re: TV is broken

#14
post #10

Broken as if the internet has no commercials? TV exists cause it's simple: streams of stories at the press of a button. No hours of effort to find good content among the trash. I don't think the commercials are the issue.

It doesn't take hours to find stuff on line that is worth watching. Just use Google: http://www.google.dk/search?aq=f&ix=hca&sourceid=chr... Or some similar search engine.

I still think traditional TV is capitalizing on the lack of good (or overabudance of bad) recommendation engines online. Social recommendations are blurry, popularity is, well, a popularity contest and movie reviews are so subjective. Even with well-intented efforts like boxee you have (a) an anavoidable pile of juvenile nonsense and (b) too many options (and that's a problem). TV offers a simple, dumb stream of mediocre-but-curated programming. Maybe we should have that for online video too.

(btw that illegal torrent u suggest is still going to take hours to download)

Re: TV is broken

#15
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it is tv that is broken. I have some channels that don't have ads at all (not even between shows) but I don't watch them, because you have to watch at a particular time, can't really pause them and the movies are years old.

"and the movies are years old." ... and, that's bad? Personally, most of the movies I might want to watch are certainly in black-and-white anyhow.

Not everybody is a hipster :)

I actually like the action movies where you know that the guy gets the pretty girl once he is done blowing things up. And recently the explosions have become more awesome, so I prefer the never movies.

You keep Casablanca, if you want.

Re: TV is broken

#16
post #10

Broken as if the internet has no commercials? TV exists cause it's simple: streams of stories at the press of a button. No hours of effort to find good content among the trash. I don't think the commercials are the issue.

It doesn't take hours to find stuff on line that is worth watching. Just use Google: http://www.google.dk/search?aq=f&ix=hca&sourceid=chr... Or some similar search engine.

It really does take hours to find something worth watching if you don't already know what you want to watch.

I do not watch much TV to begin with, but when I do, I will load up Netflix and see if anything catches my eye. Most times I'll spend 30 minutes looking for something and then simply give up and move on to something more interesting. Having access to even more content just makes the problem worse, not better.

Sometimes I'll catch wind of good programming recommendations from others, but those sources are easily exhausted. The internet does a much better job. I can just turn up here and I'll probably find at least 50% of the links interesting at any given time. TV needs something like that.

Re: TV is broken

#17
post #7

It's not really TV, it's TV networks that are broken. Hulu (and other online archives) may be even more irritating than broadcast TV. It's difficult to find what you want; you are hit by download limits in the middle of a program; there are still commercials, and it's the same ones over and over and over, and the repetition can drive you nuts; browser crash means starting over sometimes, or if you can go to where you…

Hold on ... Hulu has download limits in the middle of watching a program? I've watched Hulu from 5 AM till 5 PM almost uninterrupted, the only interruption is between shows they will say "You've been watching for 3 hours, are you sure you don't want to take a break?". That repeats every two hours or so.

Yes, the commercials can be grating, and are still annoying but I think that is a small price to pay for streaming my content when I want. Also they are not NEARLY as long as the commercials on TV and if a TV commercial is really loud (I'm looking at you eHarmony commercial) and you complain they will actually do something about it.

Hulu may have its limitations because of stupid studio rules, but overall the experience of watching content online with Hulu is pretty straightforward and easy.

Re: TV is broken

#18
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't take hours to find stuff on line that is worth watching. Just use Google: http://www.google.dk/search?aq=f&ix=hca&sourceid=chr... Or some similar search engine.

I still think traditional TV is capitalizing on the lack of good (or overabudance of bad) recommendation engines online. Social recommendations are blurry, popularity is, well, a popularity contest and movie reviews are so subjective. Even with well-intented efforts like boxee you have (a) an anavoidable pile of juvenile nonsense and (b) too many options (and that's a problem). TV offers a simple, dumb stream of medi…

> (btw that illegal torrent u suggest is still going to take hours to download)

I think you need to double-check your math. I just found a Bluray rip of the Hurt Locker on a torrent site that is 3.78 GB. Using my 24 Mbps fiber connection ($55/month, in America), it would take:

    3.78 GB * (1024 MB/GB) * (8 MB/Mb) * (1 s/24 Mb) * (1 min/60 s) = 21.5 mins
Hardly the "hours" that you suggested. And considering that the ads for a typical movie will run for much longer than 21.5 mins, I'd say it's not that long at all.

Re: TV is broken

#19
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't take hours to find stuff on line that is worth watching. Just use Google: http://www.google.dk/search?aq=f&ix=hca&sourceid=chr... Or some similar search engine.

It really does take hours to find something worth watching if you don't already know what you want to watch. I do not watch much TV to begin with, but when I do, I will load up Netflix and see if anything catches my eye. Most times I'll spend 30 minutes looking for something and then simply give up and move on to something more interesting. Having access to even more content just makes the problem worse, not better.…

> TV needs something like that.

Seriously. Someone make a hacknews/reddit-style discovery system for TV. Channels become subreddits. If you finish item one, item two starts automatically.

Re: TV is broken

#20
I would observe that in some sense this isn't just a "kid growing up with different tech gets it better than the adults" story. My wife and I both feel the exact same way about TV, in our mid-30s. We just have the historical perspective such that we don't have to ask "why". Also it's less cute when we ask why. But otherwise the same.
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