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Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by Greed »

Greed wrote: post #359
bradgessler wrote: post #312

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What is it about insanely great user experience design that's hard to "open source" in the same sense that engineers are able collaborate on software, like Linux, and achieve massive distribution?

The difference is that you can see it. If you have two highly skilled contributors with very different programming styles, they can still collaborate within the same codebase given a goal and the end-result is the same for your users. When a code contribution is marginally better or worse in its approach than another the difference is negligible to the project as a whole. By contrast, users notice when a single color…

The difference is that you can see it. If you have two highly skilled contributors with very different programming styles, they can still collaborate within the same codebase given a goal and the end-result is the same for your users. When a code contribution is marginally better or worse in its approach than another the difference is negligible to the project as a whole. By contrast, users notice when a single color is different for design elements. And they complain extremely loudly about it.

On the contributor side:

- Visual style guides require much more time and skill to create (relative to style guides for code) and still generally fail to achieve anywhere near the aesthetic unity of a single great designer with total control.

- If you commoditize your design elements to the point where it is easy to contribute them, then it is no more difficult to do it yourself to begin with.

- Delegation of design work still requires that you funnel it somewhere to be judged on qualitative measures, rather than the pass/fail nature of code

Generally the best you can do is collaborate very, very tightly and then funnel it through a single person in the end anyway a la Python's BDFL in a very trial and error fashion.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by Zetice »

mrtranscendence wrote: post #322
Zetice wrote: post #300

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Not really a given, that’s just how you use the platform. You’d have to show thats a substantial part of Reddit’s traffic and therefore revenue, for it to actually be given.

To be clear, that’s not how I use the platform (I’m not sure I’ve ever searched that way). But it’s a common enough pattern that there have been widely read articles referencing it: > This means you’ll no longer have to add “Reddit” to your searches when you’re looking for thoughts from actual humans, not empty answers from websites just trying to get clicks. https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/20/23034024/brave-search-f…

Then I don't think what you've said is a given. Maybe many people do it, but does that matter to Reddit? That's not certain, and it is even less clear that such a thing would be relevant to Non.io.

Besides, there are many routes to profitability here that have absolutely nothing to do with replicating all of Reddit's value for a user. Presuming this needs to be a 1:1 clone of Reddit seems needlessly reductive.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by penneallagricia »

ryandrake wrote: post #292
qmarchi wrote: post #272

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You could disincentivize them by having access to the metamoderation queue behind the subscription. Thus it's $2/mo/user account.

I wonder how much would a government intelligence or defense department who controls millions of bot accounts be willing to pay per month in order to have even a small percentage of power over who gets to mod (for example) r/ukraine?

Considering 1 patriot missile costs several millions, it would be pocket change.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by all2 »

biorach wrote: post #118
jjcm wrote: post #84

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100% agree with everything said here. My original plan was to pay for ~100 users accounts and seed the site with content for a proper launch. Given what's happening today though, it felt at least pertinent to show off the current state and get some feedback. The balance between splash page on landing / landing on content is a hard one, but I think you're right. I am worried though that without conveying the initial b…

maybe make the first 10,000 or 100,000 accounts free for life? you need to build momentum somehow maybe summarise what your users need to understand in a sidebar or closeable top-bar?

You could also incentivize early adopters. For example, if you're in the first 100k users, your money/upvote goes twice as far. Something like that.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by ithinkso »

bee_rider wrote: post #137
afterburner wrote: post #85

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Well, if there's money attached, it will be guaranteed to be constantly gamed and abused.

Whereas if there are fake internet points attached, it is only almost certain to be gamed and abused.

But it will be gamed and abused by people that care about fake internet points. Those are very different people from those who want to extract as much money by any means available

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by alvarezbjm-hn »

thallium205 wrote: post #342
SkyMarshal wrote: post #50

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Mostly agree. The screenshot in the top right looks good, like professional app I might actually use. But I want to actually browse the site and check it out without first slogging through a registration process. If it’s free to view/browse anyway, then enable doing that without registering. Register and pay if you want to post. Edit: You can browse without registering after all, here’s the link: https://non.io/#all…

The marketing page is not readable on mobile either.

On Firefox Android, I could read the landing page and browse afyer creating an account.

I was not able to create an account. (I had to go desktop)

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by jacquesm »

jjcm wrote: post #194
idiotsecant wrote: post #32

The idea of posters getting real money instead of fake internet points when their posts do well seems interesting, but maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences. Moderation will be extremely important to prevent low-effort memes and content regurgitation and the like from saturating your main channels. Have you considered how you will encourage moderation and keep it free from the corrosive influen…

> do you have any long-term plans to IPO this if it becomes successful? If not, some kind of guarantee that this platform is immune to enshittification would probably be very, very popular. This is a solid call out. Part of me wants to keep things private in order to maintain the "user is the customer" alignment. One issue with going public is it then means shareholders become your primary customer, with your users b…

The thing to keep in mind that alignment is often good initially but deviates over time. Funds have horizons that they want to respect lest they get in trouble with the LPs or end up with piles of money allocated but not turning a profit for them (because of the sunset clauses on management fees). Shareholders may see eye to eye - for a while - and then split up due to unforeseen development (that's when you'll find out how good that shareholder agreement really is). All in all this is a tricky thing and you will want to get yourself very well informed before pulling the trigger on any investment.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by RileyJames »

I like the idea of paid to comment / interact.

I mostly lurk reddit / read.

But understanding its balance between sustainability and popularity, is there a lower bound to free that can ensure the content is posted to seo the space popular?

1-3 free submissions per month would be enough for me.but if I started a sub (which I’ve considered a few times) I’d see enough value to pay.

Love the idea. Good luck. The timing is great. The audience is ready for a new model.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by alvarezbjm-hn »

yywwbbn wrote: post #298
PMunch wrote: post #140

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To be honest I don't completely agree. The business model itself is what makes thin interesting, not to users, but to creators. Take me for example, I write tech articles from time to time, and the occasional video, presentation, or coding live stream. As it stands I don't make any money on this, I just do it for fun. But with a site like non.io there's no reason for me _not_ to post my content there. As long as you…

> As it stands I don't make any money on this, I just do it for fun. But with a site like non.io there's no reason for me _not_ to post my content there. I’m obviously not targeting this at you but a business model likes this (paying fractions of a penny per upvote) is not likely to attract high quality content. In fact the opposite it incentives a quantity over quality approach (i.e. content has to be just good enou…

What if there was a large button for upvote, and beside a smaller button for 100x upvote?

Regular users can upvote 100 cat pictures for their dopamine hit, and when they find an ACTUALLY VALUABLE post they can look for the small button.

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