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The concurrence of three climatic events

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Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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In which idlewords basically cites the plot of "Termination Shock" by Neal Stephenson... :-)

Please don't make me read another one of his books. I'm still recovering from the Seveneves fiasco.

I didn't hate it, even though it played out more like a REAMDE type thriller than some of his earlier stuff (Anathem, Baroque, etc). I liked Seveneves, though.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Geo engineering is jumping from a cliff and hoping there is water down so you don't hit concrete. Degrowth is the only sustainable solution, geo-engineering will create more problems than it solves.

Degrowth is a great solution for those who didn't get degrowth'd.

Must our entire species (and countless others) all die together because degrowth is unfair? Those are the only two scientific options at hand.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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post #286

A lot of comments deriding this article as alarmist. Excuse me if I'm incorrect in saying so, but even the data seems to tell me that alarmism is where we are at: This articles data. Incredible floods in Pakistan. Heat domes over the PNW. Fires in Australia, Canada, California. And now a warming event in the North Atlantic unlike any other. All of that and this is likely to be one of the coolest summers for the remai…

> Fires in Australia, Canada, California. Please don't use California as an example here. It's supposed to be on fire. Several species of trees and plants here cannot germinate without fire. The loooong known problem [1] is mismanagement, building houses where places burn, and blaming the wrong people, which leads to overgrowth from lack of fire. Fires aren't, by any measure, optional. If you impede them, they will c…

Please read the links. I'm not some anti climate nut. This isn't some controversial take, if you're at all familiar with local politics/policies.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Degrowth not only is a solution, it's a guaranteed outcome if other initiatives don't materialize to successfully address the problem.

You underestimate the threat of eco-fascism. By that I don't mean green party politicians, no, I mean literal facists who blame climate change on overpopulation and who believe that the population has to be cut drastically. In the most basic form this would mean closing our borders and making sure nobody can cross illegally by using lethal force, if necessary.

Climate change is a result of overpopulation and overconsumption, though. It's right there in the name. The climate is changing as a result of anthropogenic activity. I fail to see how eco-fascism affects the outcome here, if we do not cut our population and consumption the planet will do it for us.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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That article is from March...

But much more importantly the OPs statement is directly contrary to what their own link states.

Conclusion of article:

>Overall, the long-term trend in Antarctic sea ice is nearly flat. (in contrast, the glaciers and ice sheets over land in Antarctica are losing mass.) The satellite record spans more than four decades, and although the ice has shown increasing and decreasing trends over portions of that record, few of those trends have been statistically significant. Year-to-year variability has dominated, especially over the last decade. Since the year 2013, Antarctic sea ice has exhibited its highest and lowest extents in the entire record—the highest-ever winter maximum occurred in September 2014, and the lowest-ever summer minimum was in February 2022. But the overall trend, as of early 2022, is close to zero.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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> - Historically: a geologically remarkable period of climate stability Homo sapiens survived the transition from the last ice age to today's climate.

I may be misremembering my ancient history here but didn’t Homo Sapiens arguably almost go extinct during the last ice age? As a related digression I think what people just keep forgetting about here isn’t like, we’ll survive. It’s we have all this nice stuff like avocados, grapes, heart surgery, and MacBook Pros, elephants, winter sports, houses, etc. and it sure would be nice to not lose that stuff for no good reas…

I agree 100% that we should do everything in our power to save as many people and as much technology as we can as we go through climate change.

My point was just that claims that the entire species is going to go extinct are unlikely and, worse, counter-productive. The last thing we need is fatalism and people giving up hope.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Every time humans try and fix nature, we tend to make it worse due to not understanding the problem or consequences.

That's not the point of the comment you're responding to. Climate-driven austerity isn't going to happen, because it's an intractable global-scale collective action problem. If you believe that anthropogenic climate change is going to be a global disaster, you should probably reasonably assume that some country in the world is going to allocate serious resources to mitigating it. There are 50 countries in the world w…

"If you believe that anthropogenic climate change is going to be a global disaster, you should probably reasonably assume that some country in the world is going to allocate serious resources to mitigating it."

Not when mitigating it requires ending and reversing economic growth. You're assuming there's a single nation on Earth run by good-faith actors. Furthermore, if climate-drive austerity doesn't occur, the Earth will kill billions of people until it reaches a new equilibrium.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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post #54

In this article is the first time I've seen a graph with units "Hiroshimas per Seconds". https://climatecasino.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Ocean_H...

very poor taste IMO.

What would you rather have us measure a mass-extinction event in, "sad puppies per second?" This shit is life-and-death. I'm sorry that reality offends you.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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According to the 'novel' The Ministry of The Future, that could be a state Actor... . I put 'novel' in quotes because it's a really weird novel.

A lot of novels are weird. It's straightforwardly a novel you don't need to put it in quotes.

More that it's a weird form of treatise with the mereset semblance of a coherent novel intertwined within it to encourage people to read it.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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post #81

if someone can explain how global temps are measured and weighted i’ll give you a cookie

The source listed by TFA for SST, surface sea-water temperature, is https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/ > From the note on that page: The page provides time series and map visualizations of daily mean Sea Surface Temperature (SST) from the NOAA Optimum Interpolation SST (OISST) dataset version 2.1. OISST is a 0.25°x0.25° gridded dataset that estimates temperatures based on a blend of satellite, ship, and bu…

thanks we’re on the right track but it’s still lacking the stats. ie what is the distribution of the instruments and how are they weighted ? are dense and sparse weighted equally? how about close and distant instruments to settlements ?

to me collapsing thousands of observations to a single average loses most of the signal

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