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Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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The idea of posters getting real money instead of fake internet points when their posts do well seems interesting, but maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences. Moderation will be extremely important to prevent low-effort memes and content regurgitation and the like from saturating your main channels. Have you considered how you will encourage moderation and keep it free from the corrosive influen…

Completely disagree re: moderation. The goal for sites like this is never "high quality content", it's "maximum traffic". If he can get 50k paying users, he's a millionaire. If that means low effort meme posts, who are you to slap those dollars out of his hand? The "intelligentsia" of the Internet need to get a grip on what people want; these sites are for entertainment not elucidation and discovery.

Given the popularity of searching for things like product reviews or good restaurants in a new town by appending “Reddit.com” to the search query, I think elucidation and discovery are at least part of what drives people to such platforms.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Perhaps meta-moderation would work in this scenario? Randomly assign previous moderation choices (anonymizing the moderator) for users to rank. This could to identify moderators that are out of line. It could also lead to echo chambers though.

If meta-moderation powers were assigned randomly and uniformly, this could be gamed by just spam-creating tons of accounts. Any system that accepts user input needs to have a robust answer to the question "What if a significant percentage of my users are actually bots under control of a single person?"

You could disincentivize them by having access to the metamoderation queue behind the subscription. Thus it's $2/mo/user account.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Congratulations on your work, but I think society needs to wake up to platforms.

Given the repeated destruction of public squares by corporations, there is zero reason to trust centralized social media. It's still a business, it exists in this psychopathic market system, and will still succumb to financialization. No matter who started it.

If a for-profit platform is providing value, it's because it's at the beginning of the enshittification cycle.

Ignore the shiny, people. Use your brain.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Hello OP, I haven't read all the comments in this thread, please forgive me if I duplicate someone else's ideas:

First off, I really like what you've done so far, this is fantastic and I dig the idea despite some of the potential payout exploits that you'll need to guard against.

My suggestion is to find the moderators who have wishlists of features that they want reddit to implement. Don't try and entice them onto your platform, just ask them for advice on what features the moderation tools should have. Implement those tools and ask for feedback. Places like AskHistorians, AskScience, gonewild, and other specialist subject subreddits will all have very specific requirements for their mod tools. If you can support those requirements, or at least make it so that it's easy for someone else to build those tools, then I think you'll have a headstart over others.

A couple of other items:

reddit has edited user's comments in the database before. Perhaps consider implementing public key signing of comments on the backend, such that once a comment is made, it can be verified. Hide the gory details from the users unless they're a power user and want to see that stuff. Being able to say "I wrote this and it hasn't been modified", well that's pretty powerful in my opinion.

Allow users to set their profiles such that when someone buys gold for them or otherwise rewards them, the money is instead donated to a charity of their choice. Said charity can be displayed in their profile, comments, or neither.

Talk to lots of people, watch how they use reddit and other sites that include moderation, learn from what they say. Mods are going to be an important customer for you, they manage the communities that will create content and draw people in.

Decide very early on what your personal values are and what the values of the site are. Not in a corporate useless bullshit kind of way, but instead to clearly state what people should expect. Decide what rules mods must follow vs those that are optional. Same for users. Transparency and clear open communication is something people are really missing right now.

Allow people to display the site in multiple different ways that suit them. For example I use ublock origin rules to display hackernews comments no wider than about 8 to 10 words. Some people like old.reddit.com, others hate it. Give people options and make it easy to switch between them.

Allow people to not see advertising if they don't want to, as long as those costs are covered via a subscription (which you seem to be doing, nice!)

If you haven't already, implement a rich text github markdown text entry widget.

Don't bait and switch.

I'm looking forward to seeing your progress, I hope you succeed and that I'm using your site in 5 years! Good luck!

EDIT: I also wanted to add, make your site as fast as hackernews. Can you load the text first, then the rest of the stuff, without reflowing and shifting content around? Speed keeps the site feeling snappy and doesn't "punish" people for clicking discussion links etc.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Yes ish, as currently I'm doing payouts via Stripe Connect (and likewise only paying out in countries that Stripe Connect supports, as it takes care of that aspect). Everything is theoretical until battle-tested however.

Personally, if i signed up, i would not be interested in getting payouts. I'd have to declare them on my tax return, and it's just not worth it for such small amounts. So a checkbox to donate any payouts to a charity (the EFF, perhaps?) would be great.

How about doing this _instead_ of paying out to the creators? When you sign up, you choose which charity should get the payouts for your created content? Maybe start with a searchable list of well-known charities, let users propose new as the site grows.

I think that might stem a lot of the potential abuse of the system to earn money, and it gives users a good feeling.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Congrats on the hard work, and the idea is fine, but the problem is that tech like this is a cheap commodity in a massively oversaturated space, and without a hook that makes the platform exceptional (innovative/clever/beautiful design, unique aggregation features, inherently interesting content, reimagined user/content/moderation dynamics etc etc), this kind of thing is dead in the water because it lacks a network e…

For a site to work it either needs to a) seed itself with tons of j referring links. At the end of the day people come for the content not the platform. b) target moderation groups and convince individual smaller communities to transport themselves wholesale. Go down the dark list and start marketing to each mod team one by one.

Option b would work so well this month. Hundreds of thousands of motivated users and moderators just waiting for that better option.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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I swear, the current protests have shined a very odd light on the average commenting Redditor, they want * The website to be free * The API to be cheap * The ability to use a 3rd party app that does not track, advertise, or monetize you in any way * VCs to continue to pour hundreds of millions of dollars to run the site and never ask for an ROI Good luck kids

That's just the average internet user. They want something for nothing and often get it. If you do ask for a few dollars a month you have to provide a ton of perceived value. That's despite the fact that they would spend it on snacks without hesitation.

Look at the vitriol that YouTube premium gets. I get it there are a lot of people that know how to have an ad free YouTube without paying. I don't like that some basic app features like background video playing are locked behind premium.

But at the end of the day the I am sure that for a large portion of people complaining they spent the majority of their video watching time watching YouTube. If it's not worth it to you to pay the equivalent of a big mac meal month to get rid of ads that's fine but don't act all morally superior to those that do.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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post #214

The idea of posters getting real money instead of fake internet points when their posts do well seems interesting, but maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences. Moderation will be extremely important to prevent low-effort memes and content regurgitation and the like from saturating your main channels. Have you considered how you will encourage moderation and keep it free from the corrosive influen…

Completely disagree re: moderation. The goal for sites like this is never "high quality content", it's "maximum traffic". If he can get 50k paying users, he's a millionaire. If that means low effort meme posts, who are you to slap those dollars out of his hand? The "intelligentsia" of the Internet need to get a grip on what people want; these sites are for entertainment not elucidation and discovery.

> If he can get 50k paying users, he's a millionaire.

How did you reach that conclusion?

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

what payment method would you prefer? I find Stripe to be one of the least invasive payment SDKs. Am I wrong?

It's not about which payment method is used, it's about Stripe's payment SDK being embedded on every page (or at least, more pages than it needs to be on).

I misunderstood. Yes, that's not ok
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