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Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by waboremo »

ar_lan wrote: post #43

I'm interested to try it, but there's a few things holding me back: 1. I tried working in my Oculus Quest for about a week (two years ago) and gave up because the resolution is way too poor, and it's too heavy. 2. The price tag. It looks like the Vision Pro is not a monitor/headset, but rather a computer + monitor all in one. Is that accurate to say? - I am tempted by this future, but I don't see it becoming adoptabl…

Yes, it's not just a headset/screen. In their words, a spatial computer. This coming with a new OS also signifies how they really want people to view it as a standalone product rather than a Valve Index which requires a PC to use.

Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by ladberg »

highwaylights wrote: post #36
ladberg wrote: post #20

> In short, my brain has crossed a Rubicon and now feels like experiences constrained to small, rectangular screens are lesser experiences. I left Apple 1.5 years ago but was working on the Vision Pro while I was there. I have spend many hours working in the headset and I know exactly the feeling he's describing! Leaving felt like going back in time to using clunky technology and I've been waiting for outside world t…

I don’t want to be nosey but given that it sounds like you feel like it’s a paradigm shifting device, and you’ve actually worked on and with the device, I’d be interested to read about your motivations for moving on from Apple/the project when you did if you ever feel like writing about it. So many questions I’d love to ask you about this, but again, none of my business. Just wanted to let you know I’d upvote that bl…

Thanks! My motivations were mostly comp based (I'm in HFT now), I loved the product and the team I was on!

Feel free to ask any questions here and I'll answer anything I can (e.g. no unreleased info, but maybe go into more detail about the kind of stuff that was shown to devs at WWDC). No blog right now but maybe in the future :)

Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by crazygringo »

Temporary_31337 wrote: post #4

I was kind of waiting for the day where a touchscreen based app would be more productive than a traditional laptop with keyboard. Yet, after many years all we got is fruit ninja and a concession from apple in the form of attachable keyboard for the iPad. So I’m equally sceptical that the investment in headset based interface is actually worth it.

Well, touchscreens are generally smaller than laptop screens, and a lot of productivity requires a keyboard.

But the screens on Vision Pro are larger, and it works great with a keyboard.

So anything that requires larger/more screens seems like it might be more productive than a laptop.

Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by crooked-v »

ar_lan wrote: post #43

I'm interested to try it, but there's a few things holding me back: 1. I tried working in my Oculus Quest for about a week (two years ago) and gave up because the resolution is way too poor, and it's too heavy. 2. The price tag. It looks like the Vision Pro is not a monitor/headset, but rather a computer + monitor all in one. Is that accurate to say? - I am tempted by this future, but I don't see it becoming adoptabl…

Going by the hardware and the announced features, the 2D app functionality of the Vision Pro is basically an iPad Pro with full multitasking support.

Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by chaostheory »

Krasnol wrote: post #9
thomastjeffery wrote: post #5

That was a lot of words for nothing to say... To sum up the entire article in one sentence: The author got to play with the thing, and is very excited to develop software for it.

Also: don't cry about the price. Quality costs money. Altogether sounded like an GPT Apple Ad.

Apple miniaturized a laptop + MacBook into a visor

Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by Vecr »

swozey wrote: post #50

I play VR games like Skyrim VR quite often and my biggest disappointment, outside of the ridiculous price - is that it's completely gesture controlled. Are there going to be controllers at all? How would you play a game with guns? Make a pew-pew gun with your fingers?

I don't think apple really likes guns, so it would probably have to be third party, but a training pistol with a real belt-mounted holster and an AR upper and lower without the FCG or barrel, both with some tracking markers the Apple goggles can pick up would probably work well. Shooting a rifle with VR controllers does not really work that well, because you can't brace them at all (because the two standard controllers are not attached) and there is no stock. Fix that with a hundred dollars of airsoft knockoff AR-15 parts.

Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by noelsusman »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #19
Temporary_31337 wrote: post #4

I was kind of waiting for the day where a touchscreen based app would be more productive than a traditional laptop with keyboard. Yet, after many years all we got is fruit ninja and a concession from apple in the form of attachable keyboard for the iPad. So I’m equally sceptical that the investment in headset based interface is actually worth it.

I think some artists use an ipad with a stylus rather than tablet input to a laptop/desktop, but other than this I can't see how anything else could compete with a keyboard in terms of productivity. Maybe if someone makes a really, really good voice to text interface.

Here's a short demo of a pretty good voice to text interface that's available for free: https://twitter.com/lunixbochs/status/1378159234861264896

I had to use it for a while when I was unable to touch a keyboard or mouse while recovering from RSI and I was surprised by how quickly I was able to get to about 80% of my previous productivity using just my voice. I still use it sometimes even though my RSI is fully healed.

Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by eddieroger »

swozey wrote: post #50

I play VR games like Skyrim VR quite often and my biggest disappointment, outside of the ridiculous price - is that it's completely gesture controlled. Are there going to be controllers at all? How would you play a game with guns? Make a pew-pew gun with your fingers?

The promotional video on Apple's site shows a user picking up and using a PS5 controller. iPhones and iPads can pair with third-party controllers today as well as keyboards and mice, so there's really no reason to think that this wouldn't work with those as well, particularly since Apple showed it happening in their video.

Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by jayd16 »

Dudester230602 wrote: post #42
ladberg wrote: post #20

> In short, my brain has crossed a Rubicon and now feels like experiences constrained to small, rectangular screens are lesser experiences. I left Apple 1.5 years ago but was working on the Vision Pro while I was there. I have spend many hours working in the headset and I know exactly the feeling he's describing! Leaving felt like going back in time to using clunky technology and I've been waiting for outside world t…

> ...doing work in headsets... Is it possible to use Vision Pro to build and publish a Vision Pro app? Because it seems to be another Apple device separating producers and consumers just like iPad and iPhone.

If you count streaming a Mac running xcode, then yes.

Re: A developer's view of Vision Pro

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Post by bun_at_work »

senttoschool wrote: post #51
Dudester230602 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...doing work in headsets... Is it possible to use Vision Pro to build and publish a Vision Pro app? Because it seems to be another Apple device separating producers and consumers just like iPad and iPhone.

This is a valid question and should not be downvoted. Are we going to be able to create a large software project using it without carrying around a MacBook as well? It’d be nice to be able to run macOS when I travel and not have to bring my MacBook.

This seems more than a little likely, as Vision Pro has an M2 chip for processing, and the R1 for vision processing. If your work needs a fully-capable GPU, that's probably a different story, although most graphics work (like photo editing/video editing) should run well on the M2.
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