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Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Post by Retric »

creato wrote: post #128
pyrale wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change is just one of the things that will get us if we don't find a way to live in our environment. We can't just fuck every other issue to solve that one problem, and hope everything will be fine.

You could include the cost of energy in your statement, and then it says nothing.

Solving climate change doesn’t require dramatic long term changes to the cost of energy. Economically it’s mostly a question of sunk costs as our infrastructure is built around fossil fuels. However, infrastructure has a finite lifespan meaning gradually changing things is vastly less expensive, though you do need to actually start changing things.

Thus ideas like increasing carbon taxation so economies optimize for efficient transitions.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Post by jfim »

pcdoodle wrote: post #111
kfrzcode wrote: post #32

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Keep calm, carry on, adapt. Slow-moving crises are not crises, they're problems, not emergencies. ---- Here, have some literature, down-voters! ---- [1] Nine long and nearly continuous sea level records were chosen from around the world to explore rates of change in sea level for 1904–2003. These records were found to capture the variability found in a larger number of stations over the last half century studied prev…

Wake me up when the banks stop giving 30 year loans for coastline property. Who do you trust? Bankers or the "experts".

Bankers aren't in the business of underwriting risk, other than credit risk. However, mortgages typically require having property insurance as a condition for issuing the mortgage, so de facto, if the property is uninsurable, the bank isn't issuing a loan. The expert insurance and reinsurance underwriters have started raising rates or exiting some markets altogether, as well.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Post by data_maan »

data_maan wrote: post #118
pcdoodle wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wake me up when the banks stop giving 30 year loans for coastline property. Who do you trust? Bankers or the "experts".

Google California insurance providers. Anyone else got examples?

Post your examples here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36297304

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Post by bee_rider »

TSiege wrote: post #91
abeppu wrote: post #26

> The IPCC suggests that current sulfur aerosol levels are contributing in the neighborhood of 0.5° C to total global cooling, offsetting warming that would otherwise rapidly occur. > By cleaning up shipping fuels, massive regions of the world’s oceans that were protected from heating by shipping sulfate aerosols are now experiencing rapid warming. This includes the main shipping routes between Asia and the Western U…

I completely agree with this sentiment. We should either remove the sulfur scrubbers from ships, start solar dimming around the poles, or both. It's an emergency and we're feeling the shocks right now. Another example, the war in Ukraine is accelerating the clean energy revolution in Europe, cutting down on air pollution. How's that going to help their drought? Will the EU act on national interests?

What’s the implied EU national interests here? Start some geo-engineering projects unilaterally?

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Post by ratg13 »

civilitty wrote: post #95

> There is another possible input to this heating worthy of note. Dust from the Sahara typically blows west this time of year, blocking incoming radiation while trapping existing heat. So far this year the dust has not come. The lack of dust is notable and could also be a direct cause of some of the North Atlantic heating. This caught my eye as a potentially much worse catastrophe in the short term than the extreme t…

This was the only part of the post that I wasn’t relating to.

I’m just coming back from a trip to the Caribbean where during my trip the sky was hazy for some days and all of the locals were claiming the weather effect to be the Sahara dust.

I’m not a local so I don’t know if it is more or less than usual, but my personal experience makes me take issue with the “never come” part.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Post by jjoonathan »

creato wrote: post #136
pcdoodle wrote: post #111

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Wake me up when the banks stop giving 30 year loans for coastline property. Who do you trust? Bankers or the "experts".

Expectations of a bailout might mess up this analysis.

Exactly. Rich coastal communities are powerful and stand a decent chance of being able to force the rest of us to hold their bags.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Post by TSiege »

bee_rider wrote: post #155
TSiege wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree with this sentiment. We should either remove the sulfur scrubbers from ships, start solar dimming around the poles, or both. It's an emergency and we're feeling the shocks right now. Another example, the war in Ukraine is accelerating the clean energy revolution in Europe, cutting down on air pollution. How's that going to help their drought? Will the EU act on national interests?

What’s the implied EU national interests here? Start some geo-engineering projects unilaterally?

Yes

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Post by monknomo »

Convolutional wrote: post #104
DrThunder wrote: post #38

He forgot the 4th event - Social Contagion Resulting in Climate Sensationalism. Can we please have a realistic discussion on climate change? I'm so sick of these "scientists" acting like we're in "Day After Tomorrow" and every normal weather event is suddenly a precursor to the Armageddon that'll take us all out in the next decade or less. You scientifically cannot look at individual weather events and determine they…

> every normal weather event San Francisco and the PNW being covered by smoke every summer is not a normal weather event, and now it is starting on the East coast. The east and southeast is also being hit harder by hurricanes, and they are not stopping at the Gulf of Mexico any more. These are just the events people have been able to see in the US in past years and they're not normal and with ever-increasing carbon o…

I feel like for US folks to take climate change seriously requires that climate change directly impact NYC and Washington DC so that the media and policy makers can have some lived experience.

Smoke in SF or Seattle doesn't seem to move the needle for whatever reason

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