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Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Post by foogazi »

capableweb wrote: post #347
scubbo wrote: post #336

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I mean, define "endorsement". Permitting something to exist when you have the power to do otherwise is a mild form of endorsement. A commitment to free speech is, to an extent, an endorsement of all the speech that results.

> A commitment to free speech is, to an extent, an endorsement of all the speech that results. Absolutely not. I'd argue that anyone should be free to talk with others about their opinion, but that doesn't mean I agree with that opinion. And letting then speak without shutting them down doesn't mean I agree either, just means I agree that they should be able to speak freely. What kind of dystopian viewpoint is that?…

> I'd argue that anyone should be free to talk with others about their opinion, but that doesn't mean I agree with that opinion.

Sure, when “talking” is done via sound waves or someone else’s medium it’s different

But if you have free-speech parties at your place and people spray paint messages on your house then you are now “hosting”

You decide which words you leave or paint over

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Post by FormerBandmate »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #391
roncesvalles wrote: post #329

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Lascivious pictures of clothed children count as CSAM in many jurisdictions. Free speech is fine but did they not have lawyers until 2015?

This is partly why I now prefer the term "free exchange of ideas" over "freedom of speech". I believe it more closely captures the essence of what makes free speech worth protecting, while also conveniently excluding stuff like this (among other things, like spam or antisocial behavior).

Freedom of speech is a legal concept that clearly doesn't cover CSAM. Free speech is a principle but it also doesn't cover CSAM. Fire in a crowded theater doesn't actually work as a legal defense but obscenity does

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Post by brightlancer »

Algent wrote: post #229
r0bbbo wrote: post #6

Lots of speculation on Twitter about this—a failed attempt to re-open all closed subreddits and instate their own moderators. I can't imagine it'd be that, although I do enjoy the conspiracy, and more likely they were using the window of reduced traffic to make some larger changes and they went awry

I wouldn't be surprised if so many big subreddits being dark is causing issues around denied API calls. As for the forced reopening, beside the conspiracy this is something that could happen. It's a private company, moderator on strike are a loss of business, they would be 100% in their right to remove all the "traitors" (I'm not saying this would be a smart move, simply that if they really plan to go down this self…

> It's a private company, moderator on strike are a loss of business, they would be 100% in their right to

Legally, of course. Morally, it is completely unacceptable. This isn't "oh they're jerks"; this is "the system is broken".

A meatspace analogy:

You host a weekly gathering at a restaurant. You decide to temporarily boycott the restaurant to protest some behavior of theirs -- your actions are a loss of business, _so the restaurant decides to host your weekly gathering without you_.

We'd never accept that in the real world, but for some reason we do online -- we fall back to the legal argument that It's A Private Business (which is true) and completely ignore that Reddit doesn't own the community, that the community doesn't _belong_ to Reddit. They own the platform (the restaurant); they don't own the community.

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Post by mdaniel »

DaSHacka wrote: post #273
newman8r wrote: post #232

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Would be cool to have a directory with alternative communities for every subreddit

True, or even a centralized place for Reddit alternatives that's not on Reddit...

https://alternativeto.net/software/reddit/?license=opensourc...

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Post by internetter »

FPL_Truth wrote: post #58
taneq wrote: post #32

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Where else do you think the wave of reddit users will crash? Slashdot? Some federated assemblage like Mastodon or Lemmy? An indie clone trying to be to reddit what reddit was to digg? I'm guessing all of the above.

The "federated" alternatives are such crap. It's so user-unfriendly and confusing, there is no way a normal person would be able to enjoy browsing crap like lemmy/kbin.

> It's so user-unfriendly and confusing

This viewpoint is confusing to me. Conceptually, it's no different than email, and we all get by just fine on it

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Post by comprev »

nkohari wrote: post #398
comprev wrote: post #304

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As others have said, it's Slashdot - which got it's name from trying to spell out the web address over the phone. Silly and confusing... h..t..t..p..colon..slash..slash..slashdot..dot..org When you see "Hacker News Hug" on here (recently due to Cloudflare's issues) or Reddit's "Hug of Death", the original was "Slashdotted", when tech people hosted personal sites on their _own_ home DSL (even Dial-up via Dynamic DNS!)…

Isn't Slashdot a reference to the current directory in Linux?

It could be but the version I remembered was trying to tell someone the website over the phone.

Perhaps someone on HN has a more reliable source than my brain?

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

somuchjob wrote: post #328
Croftengea wrote: post #225

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Reddit is still a vast archive of valuable advice on many topics. I developed a habit of adding "reddit" to my search requests whenever I want to get unbiased user opinions or product recommendations. For me, today is not only the day when the most of reddit is down but also web search experience is significantly degraded.

I do the opposite. Finding reddit links in a search result page just lets me know I'm in for a world of disappointment in modal pop-ups (on mobile), modal blockers to see the full comment thread, and then unhelpful/missing/flippant and generally unhelpful comments at the end of all that anyway. Especially when I search for vehicle/mechanic advice the old school forums just can't be beat for their value, even though m…

On mobile, yeah, it's awful. They have absolutely destroyed the mobile experience, especially if you're not logged in. And why would I be logged into reddit on my phone's browser, when I use BaconReader to read reddit?

On desktop though, it's an entirely different experience. I'm always redirected to the old layout, so I don't have the stupid anti-user shenanigans.

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Post by FormerBandmate »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #407
comprev wrote: post #304

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As others have said, it's Slashdot - which got it's name from trying to spell out the web address over the phone. Silly and confusing... h..t..t..p..colon..slash..slash..slashdot..dot..org When you see "Hacker News Hug" on here (recently due to Cloudflare's issues) or Reddit's "Hug of Death", the original was "Slashdotted", when tech people hosted personal sites on their _own_ home DSL (even Dial-up via Dynamic DNS!)…

> These asynchronous connections had terrible upload speed by design. As opposed to today, where connects have terrible uploads speed because ISPs don't want you to host servers. I've heard of people getting gigabit down, but only 16 mbps up.

Fiber doesn't do that. I think it's a cable issue tbh

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Post by greenie_beans »

somuchjob wrote: post #328
Croftengea wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is still a vast archive of valuable advice on many topics. I developed a habit of adding "reddit" to my search requests whenever I want to get unbiased user opinions or product recommendations. For me, today is not only the day when the most of reddit is down but also web search experience is significantly degraded.

I do the opposite. Finding reddit links in a search result page just lets me know I'm in for a world of disappointment in modal pop-ups (on mobile), modal blockers to see the full comment thread, and then unhelpful/missing/flippant and generally unhelpful comments at the end of all that anyway. Especially when I search for vehicle/mechanic advice the old school forums just can't be beat for their value, even though m…

i do the opposite. legitimately, "site:reddit.com " is like step 2 or 3 for me when looking for leads on information or product suggestions, product reviews, travel ideas, hidden gems, places to fish, etc. if you know how to cut through all the noise then it's a gold mine — you can find information just about anything. even just finding basic terminology about a thing then you can research the word.

as for the modals, just visit the reddit thread by prepending `old.` to the url. like `old.reddit.com` and then you can see everything without all that annoying stuff. also sign up for a reddit account but based on your comment doesn't sound like you'd be open to that.

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