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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by lelanthran »

stavros wrote: post #272
matsemann wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they can continue their failed attempts at using chatgpt to astroturf a counter-movement, lol: https://i.imgur.com/4e9jO7P.jpg Edit, some context: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/146wn9s/commen... (spez / reddit ceo is a mod on r/programming, hence it still being up)

I don't know what happened with r/programming (I couldn't find the mod channel), but I just took it private, assuming the other mods just forgot about it. Then again, it's spez's subreddit, so maybe he wants it public (in which case he can just flip it back).

Relatedly, I tried checking my comment history on reddit now, and most of its missing (out of a few hundreds (or maybe thousands of comments) there's like ... 15 left.

So, my guess is that there's more blowing up with reddit right now than just the blackout.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by randomdata »

HWR_14 wrote: post #426
randomdata wrote: post #417

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You will never be able to perfectly tickle everyone's funny bone with a given joke, but most everyone agrees that the role of forums is to offer a funny experience, and a good admin will play a significant role in making that happen. One does not spend their preciously scarce free time on an Internet forum if there is nothing funny about it.

I don't usually go on forums to look for funny things. I'm there because people talk about things I'm interested in. > One does not spend their preciously scarce free time on an Internet forum if there is nothing funny about it. By your own metrics, HN is often a failure and you should not (or do not) spend time here.

In what way is HN failing? HN is an excellent source of humour. Even this very comment I am replying to contains a fair amount of hilarity.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by lamontcg »

darreninthenet wrote: post #204
dacryn wrote: post #71

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at this point, there is only 1 way to save reddit, and it's so drastic that they wont do it because the ones who need to do it are too blind or too far away * fire spez * promise a clear committed roadmap of mod tools * promise to review 3rd party API pricing, and delay the current rollout It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

Reddit won't die for the same reason Facebook won't... there's no real viable alternative for the majority of the users. It might become a bit shitter, it might lose a few users who are a bit more tech savvy or from the "old days of the internet" who'll find themselves fedi or forum based alternatives but the majority will keep getting what they want out of it without a reason to move - most users probably use the of…

Everything you describe sounds like a positive outcome for me.

Let reddit turn into a wasteland of pun threads, office references, fake ragebait and wholesome content run by AI repost bots, as long as there's a viable alternative for the 1%.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by AH4oFVbPT4f8 »

marban wrote: post #77

I was the creator of the OG Popurls which at the time was the #1 traffic driver for Reddit and Digg; and also created Twidroid the very first Android Twitter client which became one of the reasons for shutting down 3rd party apps after its acquisition. Since I'm a sucker for anything old-school Web, I've been working on a Digg 1.0 rehash for a while now so if any of you wants to beta test let me know.

From Usenet to Slashdot/Fark to Digg to Reddit I'm ready for what comes next. I'd like to test if you need testers. bold.cat3322@fastmail.com

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by ratg13 »

jfengel wrote: post #86

That was 16 years ago, and it's going along just fine. I don't think it ever held a really dominant position. It was never famous or well known. It seems content to have a loyalish fan base who either see ads or pay to remove them. That seems to pay to keep it alive and a smallish staff to keep it running, and it doesn't seem to desire any more than that. The comments right from the beginning of that thread are sarca…

>I don't think it ever held a really dominant position. It was never famous or well known.

Calling one of the most visited sites on the internet in the early 2000s “not dominant” is odd.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by rchaud »

makeitdouble wrote: post #332
darreninthenet wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit won't die for the same reason Facebook won't... there's no real viable alternative for the majority of the users. It might become a bit shitter, it might lose a few users who are a bit more tech savvy or from the "old days of the internet" who'll find themselves fedi or forum based alternatives but the majority will keep getting what they want out of it without a reason to move - most users probably use the of…

I'm with you that a site of that critical size probably won't die, not within a decade. The same was AOL is actually not completely dead. Yahoo! is not dead, Digg isn't either, neither did MySpace. And I'd totally see Tumblr having a full come back to the front of the stage. Another way to put it could be "dead to us" for any specific value of "us".

AOL and Yahoo had advertising revenues Reddit could only dream of.

As it stands, a huge chunk of Reddit's content is Twitter and Tiktok reposts. Older users like me enjoyed that because I didn't want to sign up for Twitter and TT. The younger app centric users that Reddit is pivoting to probably have Twitter and TT accounts. So what value is Reddit providing?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by raydev »

Wow, haven't heard the "fark" name in a long time.

I understand why this has been posted, but much like ill-informed comparisons to Digg, Reddit will be fine. Reddit has a much larger and more diverse audience now, and likely a majority are exclusively using the iOS/Android apps.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by bemenaker »

Dalewyn wrote: post #62
nvy wrote: post #24

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>The vast majority of Reddit users (maybe not the contributors) use the native app. I myself do as well. The idea that you'd willingly use an app with baked-in ads is insane to me, to say nothing of the fact that the official app performs very poorly and could charitably be described as "dogshit UX".

The problem is you don't have the mindset of Joe Average. It's something most of us lose as we become nerds, enthusiasts, professionals, etc. We become disconnected with the commons. As a Joe Average, computers are an appliance and the internet is merely a service like broadcast television. Reddit is merely a channel on broadcast television like CNN or BBC, and it's natural to use Reddit to use Reddit. Do you watch s…

You must not have been part of the Digg exodus then. Because those of us on Digg that left, we knew the change was coming. Kevin Rose had talked about it. He gave some inklings of what was coming. The user base did protest. We did threaten. When they went ahead and went through with it, we left en masse for Reddit. Kevin sold the company, and gave information about what changes were coming. The community knew, and it was pissed. The only thing holding Reddit up right now, is lack of competition. If there was another site similar out there right now, a mass exodus would be underway right now. Mastodon, lemmy, all that stuff, doesn't count. It's not a real competitor, and neither is discord.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by xeromal »

raydev wrote: post #437

Wow, haven't heard the "fark" name in a long time. I understand why this has been posted, but much like ill-informed comparisons to Digg, Reddit will be fine. Reddit has a much larger and more diverse audience now, and likely a majority are exclusively using the iOS/Android apps.

I'm with you on this one. Nothing is going to really happen save a few small subs going dark permanently, but I do recall reading something a while back that said 3rd party apps accounted for 30% of traffic. I think the rest was split between the web and the first-party apps.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by SllX »

deafpolygon wrote: post #69
SllX wrote: post #47

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One of the major differences is that there’s no clear alternative. Digg and Reddit had a lot of overlap in what they were trying to do immediately prior to Digg’s redesign. Reddit was an obvious place to go if you preferred Digg up until that point. Now what’s the clear alternative to Reddit? Discord is probably the closest just from a UX perspective and I expect to be finding stuff there that I used to find on Reddi…

How is Discord even a closest alternative? Everything is on its own "server" and conversations happen in real-time, not async like Reddit.

Depends on the server, and the channel on the server. Depending on the channel, you might get a handful of posts a week while the #general channel might be a non-stop firehose (at least on the more social Discords).

As to how it’s the closest alternative, mainly in that the atomic unit around which Discord is organized like Reddit is the community. On Reddit it’s subreddits and on Discord it is servers and it has gotten complex enough that for server owners Discord is slowly becoming a build your own social network toolbox.

Instead of the sidebar, each channel has pins. You can have an arbitrary number of channels for different topics, and you can even have forum channels where at the root level of the channel are forum topics. Once you’re in a server, searching it is trivial to see what people have said in Subject X in community Y, although this isn’t as good as say, searching all of Reddit is and you have to find a decent community to be able to search it.

Also a lot of subreddits are already running a Discord server on the side with the same or a similar mod team and have been for years. Doesn’t quite resolve Discord’s server discoverability issue, but Reddit doesn’t make the worst springboard for figuring out Discord either. If you support any Patreons or have similar memberships elsewhere, there’s a decent shot you already have access to a number of private members-only Discords which has kind of been my springboard into actually using my Discord account this past year.

But you know, it is very different. I don’t think it’s nearly as perfect an analogue to Reddit as Reddit was to Digg for Digg users, but it’s probably the closest to what Reddit already is.

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