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Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by bjourne »

closeparen wrote: post #610
philwelch wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d go a little further than that. If you enact a Pigovian tax (i.e. a tax intended to reduce some unwanted behavior), there’s a conflict of interest in relying on that revenue for anything because then there is an incentive to try and keep the tax rates lower in order to protect the revenue source.

Exactly. ”A tax on drivers” as the parent put it is actually a failure scenario here. Everybody gets low-grade immiserated by the tax but congestion is not reduced enough to improve quality of life.

Evidence from cities around the world shows that congestion taxes actually do reduce traffic massively. Drivers always say "we have no choice, we have to drive!" Then they get charged a small amount for driving and suddenly many more are able to use public transport.

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Post by tekknik »

bjourne wrote: post #651
closeparen wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. ”A tax on drivers” as the parent put it is actually a failure scenario here. Everybody gets low-grade immiserated by the tax but congestion is not reduced enough to improve quality of life.

Evidence from cities around the world shows that congestion taxes actually do reduce traffic massively. Drivers always say "we have no choice, we have to drive!" Then they get charged a small amount for driving and suddenly many more are able to use public transport.

It’s interesting to me in a free country that you also pay vehicle registration (this is supposed to cover your taxes on road use) that taxes like this are a thing.

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Post by himinlomax »

Spooky23 wrote: post #231
jmclnx wrote: post #25

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When I saw London doing that, I expected cities in the US to start that. I am surprised it took so long. I expected this because of the push of toll roads to make people use EZPASS. Depending upon the City, I think this makes sense. But, in the US, I wonder if this will cause another mass migration of people out to the suburbs ? In the US, people are more addicted to their SUVs than heron addicts are to their drug.

It’s going to kill the city. It’s just going to push businesses out at a bad time. This doesn’t have anything to do with traffic - it’s a way to try to extract more money for the MTA. Money won’t fix the MTA’s money woes; the unions will just slurp any available cash.

> It’s going to kill the city. It’s just going to push businesses out at a bad time.

It's going to do the exact opposite. Every city in Europe that has implemented measure to discourage or even BAN cars in some areas has experienced positive economic outcomes. Of course, every single time people like you had predicted that it would be bad for business.

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Post by [deleted] »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #549
pkulak wrote: post #442

Wow. So much negativity. As far as I’m concerned, even if the city burns every dollar it collects, if this gets some cars off the island, it’s a win. It’s time to stop tolerating personal vehicles in our most dense urban centers.

Yea, trains can deliver the food to our stores in downtown! Or people can carry the pallets of food... Progress!

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Post by grepfru_it »

winternett wrote: post #641
vel0city wrote: post #577

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I live in a state which has extremely lax gun ownership and open carry laws. I guess I should just be able to ignore all other state firearm laws when I travel based on your logic.

Surely you realize that window tint and guns are 2 completely different things, and that tint can't be taken out simply before entering a city when it's embedded in the window glass by the manufacturer right?

Land Rover does not tint the front window. NYC have no laws on tinting of rear windows. Either op is full of it, or there is more to the story OP is not letting on (NYC cops also don't generally threaten to take you and your family to the precinct for no reason)

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Post by Auracle »

pkulak wrote: post #515
Auracle wrote: post #508

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I enjoy walkable cities. I don't live in New York, but I couldn't do my job as is without a car. I simply have too much equipment. There are probably many other people in the same position. I feel like step A should be to build better transit, not punish drivers.

I said “personal vehicles”, just fyi. Sounds like you’re describing a work truck.

Not really. I’m a photographer, not a plumber.

My Camaro is pretty full for weddings though, where I’m bringing all of my equipment + backups.

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Post by bjourne »

tekknik wrote: post #652
bjourne wrote: post #651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence from cities around the world shows that congestion taxes actually do reduce traffic massively. Drivers always say "we have no choice, we have to drive!" Then they get charged a small amount for driving and suddenly many more are able to use public transport.

It’s interesting to me in a free country that you also pay vehicle registration (this is supposed to cover your taxes on road use) that taxes like this are a thing.

Don't think it is stranger than publicly funded museums charging entrance fees.

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Post by grepfru_it »

winternett wrote: post #642
DeRock wrote: post #454

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I for one am glad they are enforcing the law. Highly tinted windows obstruct the important communication of being able to make eye contact with the driver. It’s important for other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. I’m not sure why your home states laws matter when you were driving in NY?

Uh... ? "I demonstrated to the officer that Range Rover made them that way from the factory" Am I supposed to break the windows out before going to NYC?

Range Rover front windows are not tinted from the factory. If your range has tinted front windows, its aftermarket and its a film, not part of the glass. There's so much to the story that OP left out (was the cop eyeballing or did they use the actual tint level detector, why did the cop threaten to take his entire family to the precinct). Its not worth your time to speculate. Don't drive your car with aftermarket tint into NYC, very simple.

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Post by grepfru_it »

midoridensha wrote: post #644
rafram wrote: post #561

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You have to follow the laws of the place you’re in. The place you’re from is completely irrelevant. They don’t let British people drive on the left in NYC because that’s their local custom, and they don’t let you have illegally tinted windows, either.

Did you miss the part about the OP's windows having a factory tint? They came that way from the factory; it wasn't an aftermarket add-on. So, these windows must therefore be in compliance with the federal rules for motor vehicles, or else the car couldn't be sold in the US. It should not be possible for a state to pass and enforce motor vehicle laws that override the federal government.

Did you miss the fact that Land Rover tints rear windows and never the front windows from the factory? Regardless, if you drive to a state that mandates tint at a certain level it doesn't matter what factory it came out of.. you're still breaking the law.

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Post by vel0city »

winternett wrote: post #642
DeRock wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I for one am glad they are enforcing the law. Highly tinted windows obstruct the important communication of being able to make eye contact with the driver. It’s important for other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. I’m not sure why your home states laws matter when you were driving in NY?

Uh... ? "I demonstrated to the officer that Range Rover made them that way from the factory" Am I supposed to break the windows out before going to NYC?

Can you demonstrate that to us here? I'm not familiar with cars in the US coming from the factory with window tint. Most of the time front window tint is something dealers might add, but that's not "from the factory".

And no, you don't need to break the windows out. You could also just not drive your car that doesn't comply with the laws into that area. Much like how I wouldn't be walking around NYC with an AR-15 strapped to my back even though that's technically legal where I'm from.

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