Intel is all-in on backside power delivery

Post by brookst » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 12:45 PM UTC

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"Chip making is automated." Is not a true statement.

Chip making is in a really sad state of automation. There's lots of money poured into very ingenious products, but the major incumbents have to real incentive to standardize, so you still have some unstructured file formats (SPICE) with different dialects veeery hard to parse correctly, you have ad-hoc APIs depending on vendor and software versions that all try to capture you into their ecosystem, you have half-assed…

Post by davedx » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 12:56 PM UTC

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Assuming they deliver on a timetable they say they will, which intel has had a well established track record of not doing. With intel, over the last 5-10 years I don't believe anything they say until there are chips in peoples hands at a volume that is meaningful.

Gelsinger (re)introduced OKRs a couple of years ago. Everyone's being held accountable for their promises at all levels now. It's probably caused them to stop dreaming so much and get more conservative but predictable.

Post by quickthrower2 » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 12:57 PM UTC

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Apparently chip-making uses (or used?) Chlorine trifluoride - the stuff that can set asbestos or sand on fire - to clean chemical vapour deposition chambers.

It sets ashes on fire. The only way to stop ClF3 fire is to wait it out. Shit is just unstoppable. Reminds me of FOOF. In a bad way.

Post by davedx » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 1:25 PM UTC

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And meanwhile they're both getting cucked by Apple because the Intel/AMD brand monoliths are too heavy to make any groundbreaking/architectural changes now.

By Apple? Or by ARM? There's a reason it's an "ARM" processor & not an "Apple" one, even though yes, Apple did contribute a lot of their own design to their specific chip. Unfortunately, Apple took the shortcut of gaining performance by having memory/SB/NB/kitchen sink all together on the same die, which is very...not scalable. It's a good way to be "top in class" for the class your in, but it comes with a ceiling; y…

Post by arein3 » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 1:37 PM UTC

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Intel was this way, but IMO Pat Gelsinger has turned it around — as per this, their surprisingly competitive GPU perf, and hopefully Intel Foundry Services. IDK if it's enough to call it a Satya Nadella-like CEO transition, but I've been pretty impressed watching it happen.

> their surprisingly competitive GPU perf, I think the only thing Pat Gelsinger deserves credit for when it comes to Arc is firing Raja Koduri. Whether or not this turns out to actually be good for the company or not remains to be seen. A lot is riding on Battlemage not being a mess like Arc was.