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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by username332211 »

barrkel wrote: post #175
that_guy_iain wrote: post #163

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I would say the problem is that the user base are low value users. They're the sort of people who will do a mass protest because one for-profit company wants to charge another for-profit company money. Advertisers don't want to advertise to them, seriously. Any other company with a different user base with that amount of users and traffic would be making a billion a year easily. Probably multiple billions. But Reddit…

Thing is, high value users won't use a site that has no content. There's no there there any more without the userbase.

It depends. It may be easier to corral high value users into a green field, rather than have them share the field with low value users.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by littlestymaar »

vxNsr wrote: post #324
littlestymaar wrote: post #157

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There's no reason to buy's spez's words, nor any other executives in any company for that matter, their job is to spread a narrative. In fact, if profitability was the goal, then he should have been ousted at this point, because he's been back for 8 years now without succeeding to make the company profitable. I don't think he is that inapt, and that his board is stupid to let him in charge despite such a failure, pro…

> I don't think he is that inapt, and that his board is stupid to let him in charge despite such a failure, profitability was just never the goal. Just fyi, reddit rose around the same time as Facebook so it’s likely they share a similar governance model, where founders control an outsized part of the board/voting shares. Since Uber and wework semi-imploded investors are less forgiving of that sort of thing but legac…

Spez sold his shares in 2006 before joining back as a CEO in 2015. He probably has equity as the CEO, but not as many as a regular founder and as such he should have much less power and control over the company than Zuck.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by 1f60c »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #375
1f60c wrote: post #19

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This implies that the website is really called fuck.com (but censored), which is certainly … a choice.

that's so obvious? Even as an American

Maybe if you're British. :-) Or maybe I'm just one of today's lucky 10,000.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by imauser »

hackernewds wrote: post #23
rapsey wrote: post #17

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The problem is the business model is terrible. You need to sell ads to survive and the ads ruin the site.

and when you try to rein in expenses to show less ads, the community begins to propose $10M buyouts and every refrain from reasonable optimizations of their API calls.

The developer has already clarified that Apollo was not the top user of the API. It was also confirmed by a Reddit employee.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by esskay »

sunaurus wrote: post #63
politelemon wrote: post #15

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Isn't there also the issue of federation itself, if users have to understand federation they'll just stick to regular Reddit. Going by the principle of "don't make me think", that is

In my experience, people understand federation quite easily if you just use the e-mail analogue. Even completely non-technical folks understand that regardless of whether they are on Gmail or Outlook or iCloud mail, they can send e-mail to users of other platforms.

The email analogue doesn't really work for your every day person. They dont know, or even want to know how it works.

When people visit a Mastedon site and see something like this its an instant turn off:

> mastodon.social is part of the decentralized social network powered by Mastodon.

Nobody cares, or wants to care that its decentralized. They just want a social network. When you've got to screw around with 'picking a site' to sign up on its hassle. When you've got to mess around to find something because its on a different node, its a hassle.

As someone else said, they need to shut up and stop the key point being that its a fediverse - the average user has no idea what that means, nor should they need to.

There's also the woefully underdeveloped user experience aspect of things, and overexplaining. On the signup page for example you see this:

>With an account on this Mastodon server, you'll be able to follow any other person on the network, regardless of where their account is hosted.

I dont care. I dont need to know that, if its a given that I can talk to people on other instances then I dont need to be told.

It's got a long, long way to go before its even close to gaining critical mass.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by thealchemistdev »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #358

Am I the only person who is rooting for all social media to die? (Including this one) The only reason I come here is to find interesting articles, but mostly it's nonsense editorials by extremists, "best practice" by novices, thinly veiled advertisement clickbait by companies, generic news from generic news sites, press releases, Twitter threads... That's most of what is on the front page here. The comments section i…

> the bizarre hangups of straight white libertarian code bros

Dang. I was with you all the way until the bigotry.

Level up, dude; there are more important things to focus on.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

username332211 wrote: post #354
TeMPOraL wrote: post #307

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> Reddit is definitely a YC story, and so is HN. But Reddit isn't HN's story. It's one of many. HN and Reddit are deeply intertwined at multiple levels. There's a cultural connection ("this site is turning into reddit" is a decade+-old meme that just can't die). There's a historical legacy one - HN came about because pg wanted to recreate the kind of culture Reddit had in its first two years, while the latter kept ev…

I'm pretty sure for the last decade or so the main reason people read and contribute to HN is that it's not reddit. Part of that HN is not known for the perpetual "drama" generation the reddit community is known for. I say that as someone who left HN for reddit. And someone who mostly tries not to comment here, lest that makes HN more like reddit. HN should stay different.

> for the last decade or so the main reason people read and contribute to HN is that it's not reddit

To the extent people think or even say this explicitly, this is literally defining HN in terms of Reddit. The sign on the vector may be negative, but it still connects the two.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by tylergetsay »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #174
unglaublich wrote: post #54

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Techy/young people think that they are the intended audience of Reddit. You're not anymore. The intended audience is _bigger_. It's like how Facebook shifted from young college folks to kids, moms, grandpas, and mainly companies. The original users of Facebook left, but Facebook still grew. Now it's Reddit's turn to swap its original user base with a bigger target audience.

And do you think that new demographic will be willing to put in the same unpaid hours to moderate the site?

There's arguably more unpaid moderators on Facebook inside groups than reddit. FB claims 10million groups while reddit says 3.4 subreddits

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by malermeister »

nik282000 wrote: post #369
malermeister wrote: post #264

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> Being well-liked and poor is waaay worse than being rich and hated. Only if you're an egotistical sellout.

Why yes, I am an average human being!

If this applies to you, I'm sorry to tell you that you're a worse-than-average human being.
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