Fark redesign is now live (2007) • Hacker News Board

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by user_named » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 10:30 AM UTC

eastern wrote: post #93

blitzar wrote: post #50

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If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand that its over. This week is critical to save your personal narrative. No matter what really happened; always tell people you are the person who invented the like button at facebook, not the one who decided to band porn on tumblr.

If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, ignore every carping user and stay laser-focused on that IPO. Being well-liked and poor is waaay worse than being rich and hated. Stay strong

Are you sure?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by astrange » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 10:32 AM UTC

phpisthebest wrote: post #341

astrange wrote: post #217

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He was correct to do this, because it was funny. Any true longtime forum poster would recognize this. (Conversely, if it wasn't funny, he should've done it differently.) Although doing Lowtax things may lead to turning into Lowtax, which is probably bad. I can certainly tell you it's not a serious problem, because it'd be illegal if it was. All serious problems with websites are revenue issues or legal issues.

>>I can certainly tell you it's not a serious problem, because it'd be illegal if it was that seems to be a very poor reasoning. If your honest contention that all things that are a problem are illegal (thus one can assume then also that you 100% agree with all laws on the books as well) seems then we have no societal problems, and the government and laws work perfectly... Thus no need to elections, or changes to tho…

No, but certainly if you think something is a problem you should lobby to make future instances of it illegal. If you don't, it's basically not worth the time of an admin/CEO to care what you think, because they have so much else going on.

A common theme on social media is that a group of people care about something and want to ban it, but instead of changing the law, instead they self-enforce their pseudo-laws by yelling at people who violate them. Complaining about the mods being an example, another being fanartists who have a ton of rules about "sourcing your art reposts"/not tracing, another being that 2014 period where everyone went around GitHub projects trying to shame the owners for not having a code of conduct.

This might be because they're anarchists and don't want to call the figurative cops, but usually it's because they're a minority and there isn't actually popular support for it.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by mrtksn » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 10:32 AM UTC

LodeOfCode wrote: post #333

mrtksn wrote: post #74

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As much as I would like to believe that boycotts can work, I'm just too cynical after seeing all those boycotts doing nothing. My old.reddit.com homepage hasn't change much. Missing is r/ProgrammerHumor but r/Programming is there, alongside with r/darksky, r/wallstreetbets etc. All the porn seems to be there too, which might actually move some numbers if gone dark. The only sub which I care and it's gone is r/StableD…

The list of participating subreddits[0] includes ~3/4ths of the big subreddits. 7 of the 10 subs with over 30 million members[1], 81% with 20-30 million, 77% with 10-20 million, 80% with 5-10 million, and 71% with 1-5 million I don't think the blackout will be limited by its scope so much as by its duration [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplet... [1] https://www.reddit.com/best/communities…

Yes, the duration is problematic. A few days blackout means no matter what we will be back, so carry on.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by username332211 » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 10:32 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #307

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #200

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> I think some context you might be missing is the intimate connection between Reddit and YC. Reddit is a YC story[1][2] and the founders even claim that Reddit was the first YC Company to launch[1]. As far as I understand it Reddit was one of those key early startups that Paul Graham modelled future YC around. Reddit is definitely a YC story, and so is HN. But Reddit isn't HN's story. It's one of many. Except the fr…

> Reddit is definitely a YC story, and so is HN. But Reddit isn't HN's story. It's one of many. HN and Reddit are deeply intertwined at multiple levels. There's a cultural connection ("this site is turning into reddit" is a decade+-old meme that just can't die). There's a historical legacy one - HN came about because pg wanted to recreate the kind of culture Reddit had in its first two years, while the latter kept ev…

I'm pretty sure for the last decade or so the main reason people read and contribute to HN is that it's not reddit.

Part of that HN is not known for the perpetual "drama" generation the reddit community is known for.

I say that as someone who left HN for reddit. And someone who mostly tries not to comment here, lest that makes HN more like reddit. HN should stay different.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by stereolambda » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 10:35 AM UTC

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #257

joshvm wrote: post #173

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A lot of the LLM ML communities have moved to Discord for bleeding edge development, as far as I know.

Which is a damn shame, because discord is an unsearchable walled garden. I really, really don't hope much of reddit moves to discord, it would be a disaster for the usability of search engines.

At this point I'm seeing an accelerationist angle where having only walled gardens, disfunctional search engines (both in-app and Google) and broken apps and APIs everywhere might force people to think about those things a little.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by phpisthebest » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 10:39 AM UTC

astrange wrote: post #352

phpisthebest wrote: post #341

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>>I can certainly tell you it's not a serious problem, because it'd be illegal if it was that seems to be a very poor reasoning. If your honest contention that all things that are a problem are illegal (thus one can assume then also that you 100% agree with all laws on the books as well) seems then we have no societal problems, and the government and laws work perfectly... Thus no need to elections, or changes to tho…

No, but certainly if you think something is a problem you should lobby to make future instances of it illegal. If you don't, it's basically not worth the time of an admin/CEO to care what you think, because they have so much else going on. A common theme on social media is that a group of people care about something and want to ban it, but instead of changing the law, instead they self-enforce their pseudo-laws by ye…

wow.. I dont even know really were to begin to unpack this.

So you position is that totalitarianism to the extreme is the only way? That everything, every action, every social convention, every interaction between two people should be under the purview of some law or regulation.

I am not a big fan of codes of conduct, as such I damn sure do not want the government creating a law around code of conduct. If some open source project wants to enact a stupid CoC I want the freedom to fork that project and replace with either a CoC free project or a competing one with a different CoC.

government is not empowered, nor should it be empowered to government what social media ban's, or the conduct of developers interacting with each other on a open source project

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by brabel » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 10:50 AM UTC

mirthflat83 wrote: post #252

mrtksn wrote: post #74

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As much as I would like to believe that boycotts can work, I'm just too cynical after seeing all those boycotts doing nothing. My old.reddit.com homepage hasn't change much. Missing is r/ProgrammerHumor but r/Programming is there, alongside with r/darksky, r/wallstreetbets etc. All the porn seems to be there too, which might actually move some numbers if gone dark. The only sub which I care and it's gone is r/StableD…

/u/spez is a mod at /r/programming

Then why is /r/programming private right now? Not just me, multiple people reporting that.

Personally, I think it just goes to show that if you make a platform which depends on people's generosity to keep content well moderated, you should absolutely consider those generous people as your company's main resources.... and if you piss them off, as your worst enemies.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by throwawaaarrgh » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 10:53 AM UTC

Am I the only person who is rooting for all social media to die? (Including this one)

The only reason I come here is to find interesting articles, but mostly it's nonsense editorials by extremists, "best practice" by novices, thinly veiled advertisement clickbait by companies, generic news from generic news sites, press releases, Twitter threads... That's most of what is on the front page here.

The comments section is a mess. Experts get downvoted for stating facts, know it alls beating up people for making mistakes, goody-two-shoes lecturing people for not following rules, pedantry galore, the bizarre hangups of straight white libertarian code bros, sycophants, newbies passing off nonsense as sage wisdom, and up/down votes being nearly random and mostly based on emotional response to rhetoric or whatever mirrors their opinions.

The sad truth is that if they tried to fix all these problems, there'd be like 3 comments and 7 new posts a day. To keep something popular and engaging it has to be crap and controversial.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Underqualified » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 10:54 AM UTC

mr_mitm wrote: post #278

Underqualified wrote: post #237

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I've seen UseNet die, so I'm not so sure. What Reddit does (and UseNet before it) is really niche. There aren't as many people on Reddit as there are on Facebook and Reddit isn't as entangled with people's 'real' life as much as social media is.

You are right with your last sentence, but reddit is anything but niche. It attracts even politicians and other celebrities, albeit typically only for Q&As. Arnold Schwarzenegger and William Shattner post there for fun with their real names, who knows how many post under pseudonyms. The beauty of reddit is that it attracts even non-technical people who share their insight in their domain (usually anonymous, so to be…

Reddit has grown significantly the last few years, but it still has only about 50-60 million daily users, compared to Facebook's nearly 2 billion daily users.

Don't get me wrong, I like Reddit. Before it I used Usenet, which died and after Usenet I was active on forums (most of those also seem to be gone now). I really prefer those topic based social media to the other user-based social media. But I've seen enough of them die before.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 10:56 AM UTC

lrem wrote: post #122

ShadowBanThis01 wrote: post #117

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For sure. I don't remember Fark, but when Digg went from being a tech-centric site to a despicable spam bucket I do remember everyone fleeing to Reddit. Now that Reddit is trash, I guess all the serious tech people are already here... ?

Here being HN? IMHO it’s not competing with Reddit, at most with a sub or five. It’s also different to the point of just not being a replacement. Redditors are currently mostly looking at Lemmy. Not sure it’s ready for prime time either.

I wasn't familiar with Reddit when Digg sold out; I just remember the exodus, and the topics on Reddit seemed tech-centric enough. Then over time there were more and more posts showing up on the front page with titles like, "This little guy followed me home," about puppies and whatnot.

I didn't even know what subReddits were; but now that I do, I'm baffled as to where the former Digg people were posting and why I managed to see mostly their traffic for days or weeks on Reddit without making any effort to go into a tech sub.

That was the old Reddit design, so maybe there was something fundamentally different about it.