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Re: Livestream of Reddit subreddits going private in protest

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Not sure I would consider mods unilaterally shutting down their forums and hiding information that was contributed by millions of other people a triumph for the wider community. Speaking as somebody who only ever visits Reddit when a thread appears in a search result and occasionally replies if the mods didn't implement a policy of automatically deleting posts from outsiders, now the information I need is not there,…

I’d say with you being a passive observer, you are clearly not a part of that community. Voting wise, all communities I’ve seen were pretty overwhelmingly in favor.

That exclusiveness is exactly my point. It seems for some people the "community" is narrowly defined to mean only those who are highly active Reddit users of very specific forums - so much so that they both visit frequently enough and feel strongly enough to vote on voluntary polls about shutting those forums down. The broader community of people who visit the site and post from time to time most likely never saw any of these polls and wouldn't have bothered voting even if they did. I think those people are still part of the community. To me, a city wouldn't be much of a community if the only people whose opinions mattered were those who had the time to attend council meetings.

Re: Livestream of Reddit subreddits going private in protest

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What tools will those new moderators use? The mods of any decent size subreddit have to use third party tools because the first party ones are apparently garbage. I think a better question is what's Reddit's endgame? Mods of huge subreddits will just capitulate and use Reddit's crappy tools to do their unpaid work? Somehow those subreddits won't be flooded with spam and trolls? People will stick around to look at ads…

Agreed, a large part of the platform will just go to shit, as no good moderation tools are available to the mods (regardless if you replace them or not). Reddit's value lies in what its users provide and post about. This also goes for that data that Reddit (publicly) wants to protect from AI companies. With their change, not only do they screw over its users and communities, but also mess up any valuable future conve…

So like Twitter and FB. Maybe it’s time.

Re: Livestream of Reddit subreddits going private in protest

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I would assume that a small percentage of mods are doing the vast majority of actual moderating. So the interesting statistic would be the percentage of mod actions performed via third-party tools. This is a bit similar to Stack Overflow claiming only 11% of mods are participating in the strike there. What they didn't say is that it includes almost all of the active Stack Overflow mods and some community-run anti-spa…

I tracked down the original statistic. CEO u/spez wrote: > About 3% of mod actions come from third-party apps, and we’ve reached out to communities who moderate almost exclusively using these apps to ensure we address their needs.

> About 3% of mod actions come from third-party apps, and we’ve reached out to communities who moderate almost exclusively using these apps to ensure we address their needs.

I wouldn't be shocked if that's because third party bots are counted in there, and in terms of sheer scale of spam etc that is 80+ of mod actions.

Huffman has a very good reason to use figures in a misleading way to downplay the impact here.

Re: Livestream of Reddit subreddits going private in protest

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> I've already eliminated all the other socials and that has been very good for me You do understand that you are posting this to hacker news right?

Hacker News is a news aggregator.

Hacker News is a Reddit clone that PG wrote because subreddits didn’t exist yet and he wanted to write an application in Arc.

Re: Livestream of Reddit subreddits going private in protest

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Reddit has about as much technical complexity in its core product as Twitter—both can be trivially cloned. Alternatives exist. It’s the network effects that made Reddit valuable: the people, communities, 3rd-party clients, platform integrations, etc. Most of these things are fairly portable, so I think Reddit execs are mainly gambling in users not wanting to bother with finding a new place to gather. I have to wonder…

> both can be trivially cloned. Alternatives exist Trivially? No. As can be seen by lack of alternatives of comparable quality.

Why use an alternative when you can use the real thing? Reddit was open-source until 2017: https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit

I think that qualifies at trivial.

Re: Livestream of Reddit subreddits going private in protest

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Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but if Reddit doesn't backtrack what's the endgame here? I've seen multiple subs indicate they intend to fully shutdown if the API changes continue, but for the popular ones what's to stop Reddit from just appointing new mods and starting the sub back up?

If the mods get replaced, that's just another thing for everyone to complain about. Reddit relies on the community to do "community things" but if they stop doing those things then what do they have?

That is exactly what many (including the people working at Reddit [1]) just don't seem to understand.

Reddit is, first and foremost, content driven. The content itself comes entirely from the communities. To be more precise: from a very small group of people inside those communities.

Most reddit users just read, include users that only occasionaly comment in threads and you get a bucket that represents like what, 4/5 of the whole userbase?

This means that you do not have to make many people angry to render the site useless for the overwhelming majority of people that go to the site. Reddit rests upon the labor of a small number of people: Users that post and/or create useful content and moderators.

Now a site like youtube is very similar but has one [2] very significant difference: The people producing the content have a monetary incentive, making it very unlikely that a majority of them will stop or move away. Reddit, as a company, however brings almost nothing to the table, it's just that it used to be frictionless and now everyone happens to be there. And they are working hard to kill the "frictionless" part.

[1]: The recent AMA with spez was a nice demonstration of how out of touch they are with reddit users

[2]: Actually it's two, hosting video content on a large scale is actually hard

Re: Livestream of Reddit subreddits going private in protest

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I don’t think anyone is claiming it’s the death of Reddit. They are going dark for 2 days, then it will be business as usual.

Meh, I wouldn't be so quick to judge. I'm a mod of a several-million-subscriber subreddit (one that's likely highly popular among HN subscribers). When we asked our community if they wanted to join the protest, the answer was a very resounding "yes, but 2 days aren't going to cut it"... So we're still debating when/IF we're going to return after going dark. To add, all the mods are tired and don't have enough time to…

If you don't stay on Reddit where will you go? I'm eager to join communities that are moving to something less user hostile than Reddit. Bonus for anything OSS or federated.

Re: Livestream of Reddit subreddits going private in protest

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This sounds ridiculous even to me, but it’s a strange feeling to see the death of Reddit. It’s the only quasi-social network I’ve used for a decade, and there are many communities that I feel at home in. It’s almost like grief, or feeling untethered somehow.

I think a large part of my grief of Reddit is the vast amount of knowledge and usefulness that's there. I use it as a hub of information far more than I use it as social media, and yes a lot of that may still be accessible (especially with archive) but the creation of that content dies today.

Re: Livestream of Reddit subreddits going private in protest

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Hacker News is a news aggregator.

Hacker News is a Reddit clone that PG wrote because subreddits didn’t exist yet and he wanted to write an application in Arc.

Hacker News is what I refer to as The last bastion of the "Old Internet".

Like back when the internet was a thing that people actually had to put effort into participating in so the average quality of content and engagement was consistently high more often than it was low.

Back when you actually had forums dedicated to single areas of interest, run by people who were interested in that thing "just coz".

I feel like Hacker News is literally the last little glint of light in a sea of seething darkness... it makes me nostalgic for the internet we had and lost.

Re: Livestream of Reddit subreddits going private in protest

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Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but if Reddit doesn't backtrack what's the endgame here? I've seen multiple subs indicate they intend to fully shutdown if the API changes continue, but for the popular ones what's to stop Reddit from just appointing new mods and starting the sub back up?

That surreal to me too, mostly because there there are no offered alternative such as forum or even clone. (i mean open reddark and just list) I think from reddit perspective that could be considered as jackpot: 48 hours downtime it just 0.6% ( 100-((363/365)*100)) over year, if it is keep going - update TOS (something like - huge subreddits cannot be converted to private and etc.) and just replace mods... As for end…

> Just replace mods

yeah. "Just".

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