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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by phpisthebest »

astrange wrote: post #217
tirpen wrote: post #167

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spez even infamously abused his admin access to edit another posters comment a while back. Calling it a dorm room shitshow is an insult to dorm rooms everywhere.

He was correct to do this, because it was funny. Any true longtime forum poster would recognize this. (Conversely, if it wasn't funny, he should've done it differently.) Although doing Lowtax things may lead to turning into Lowtax, which is probably bad. I can certainly tell you it's not a serious problem, because it'd be illegal if it was. All serious problems with websites are revenue issues or legal issues.

>>I can certainly tell you it's not a serious problem, because it'd be illegal if it was

that seems to be a very poor reasoning. If your honest contention that all things that are a problem are illegal (thus one can assume then also that you 100% agree with all laws on the books as well) seems then we have no societal problems, and the government and laws work perfectly... Thus no need to elections, or changes to those laws.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by algas »

yard2010 wrote: post #302
ihateolives wrote: post #158

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> The idea that you'd willingly use an app with baked-in ads is insane to me Do you have any friends outside tech circles? Any time I see friends from non-tech industry browse web on their computers I wince so hard. I can't understand how they stand it but it's normal for them. It's also normal for them to wait few secons until pages/apps load because all the crap. Those people make up 99,9% of users everywhere excep…

I never realized how fast the web is today with no ads, esp. on mobile! I am never going back, ads are cancer for me, this is not how I roll

Ads and websites in general have been expanding to fill available space for years, so it's hard to notice how large that space has gotten. Browsing without ads is like unclipping a ball and chain.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Xarodon »

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #311

Could this be the ramifications of AI though? (edit: I mean, in light of StackOverflow also changing their policies recently) Not only are the LLMs like GPT effectively doing scraping like never before, without any legal oversight, AI is also automating and causing much more pressure on those social sites. The future is bleak, LLMs are going to destroy what little "Far West" we still had and turn all the open sites i…

> doing scraping without any legal oversight

What is this supposed to mean?

What role do you think lawyers play in scraping the internet?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by wwmiller3 »

boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

I deleted my 12-yr old Reddit account this past weekend. I, too, went through the Digg redesign debacle which prompted my complete shift from Digg to Reddit so many years.

What I have learned is there always is an alternative and clinging to a platform that is headed in the opposite direction you are going is not worth it. I’ll miss Reddit in the short term, but I’m done with it and have moved on.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

meerita wrote: post #165

User redesigns are the main killers of websites. Consider the following examples: Digg, MySpace, Reddit, Slashdot, Facebook, Dropbox, and Typeform. These projects, among others, ultimately failed due to a misconception that they had a design problem or a desire to keep their design department occupied. Instead of following a clear vision, these projects were sacrificed in an attempt to please all users. HN should ref…

Redesigns don't happen for the sake of redesign. I don't know about Typeform, but in other cases - and especially for Facebook, Reddit and Dropbox - redesign always servers to deliver the next level of monetization squeeze/user abuse. The redesign may be most tangible thing to complain about, so it gets the lion share of attention, but in my experience is, when people complain that something about the new redesign is "stupid", they fail to realize it's the opposite - its intentional. It's meant to force a particular way of using the service.

Attention economy makes money by friction. It's like putting water wheels on a river - as long as you don't dam it completely, you can extract just a little more value by stuffing yet another wheel downstream, until the flow is close to stopping dead.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by zelphirkalt »

yurishimo wrote: post #254
darreninthenet wrote: post #204

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Reddit won't die for the same reason Facebook won't... there's no real viable alternative for the majority of the users. It might become a bit shitter, it might lose a few users who are a bit more tech savvy or from the "old days of the internet" who'll find themselves fedi or forum based alternatives but the majority will keep getting what they want out of it without a reason to move - most users probably use the of…

It pains me to say it, but I think you're right. Reddit for most normies is just another app to consume memes but with comments. I don't think Reddit wants to continue focusing on comments and longer form content. The only advantage to them to keep comments is higher pageviews and ads. The niche communities are starting to go back to their own platforms or Discord. Anecdotally, I've seen more and more comments that r…

> The niche communities are starting to go back to their own platforms or Discord.

Ugh, hopefully not more Discord. We have already got way too much hinging on Discord.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by conradfr »

goykasi wrote: post #280
conradfr wrote: post #159

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If one of the most visited website/app in the world with highly cacheable and free content can't be profitable the internet is doomed. But did they try to be?

How is reddit highly cacheable? Maybe old/infrequently accessed discussions are cacheable, but the live set is too dynamic. So there probably isnt much of a win there. The feeds are definitely not cacheable (except for maybe on a per user basis with a low ttl). Popular and all are never the same upon reload. And every user is going to have a different combination of subreddits. Those feeds have to be generated on the…

https://medium.com/@sevebadajoz/exploring-cache-optimization...

Also a lot of their content is not "hot" and "commentable" anymore.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by lapser »

robador wrote: post #256
lapser wrote: post #149

Why is it that companies go towards bad UX when they start ramping up profits? Download size is one thing, but ignoring that, how is it that they thought the new (Reddit) website was a good idea? Sure it's mobile friendly, but it's barely useable on mobile and desktop? For example: why do I have to constantly click read more? This seems to be a common thing with all kinds of companies, Digg, Facebook, many others. It…

Not based on anything I can verify, but my feeling is that when a company gets to a certain size and becomes high profile, it will attract certain types of employees as well. The more high profile, the more a UI/UX department will want to put their stamp on it. Instead of looking at what would make the product more user friendly and accessible, they'll be attracted to the shiny new things that they can do, simply bec…

But a complete revamp doesn't necessarily mean bad UI/UX. It just means something different. It can be done in an equally good or better way. In comparison, the Reddit UI was just horrendous. It's barely usable. Without old.reddit or 3rd party apps, I would have probably stopped using Reddit by now due to how horrendous it is to use.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by nsvd »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #301
MagnumOpus wrote: post #294

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> Reddit users are playing with fire The users have nothing to lose. Worst case Huffman and his owners go ahead with smashing and burning the 3rd party moderation and commenting infrastructure - they would have done that even without protests. Would Huffman ban the people who contribute and moderate the discussions and police spam for free, and hire paid mods instead? A week ago I'd have said that not even he is that…

> The users have nothing to lose Reddit users have Reddit to lose. A site that gives them hours of entertainment, allows them to access support groups, find out tips and tricks, get advice, and much more. It'll cost tens of millions a month to host another. Who has that? VCs will get their money one way or another. Either they get their way with this and monetise users who previously were not monetised. Or they make…

Reddit isn't the only forum on the Internet. This one for example. Think about it like this, there are thousands of sites run for free by people who are passionate about certain communities or hobbies. This is what Reddit has tried to compete with, and it seems to be an uphill battle.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Maken wrote: post #337
TeMPOraL wrote: post #314

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We can always hit the emergency button labeled "please post and upvote some Erlang stories quick!". Worked well in the past.

I think that was updated to a Rust button long ago.

Nah, Rust is way too hip these days. I think a more suitable topic would be eBPF or theorem provers.
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