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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by AltruisticGapHN »

Could this be the ramifications of AI though? (edit: I mean, in light of StackOverflow also changing their policies recently)

Not only are the LLMs like GPT effectively doing scraping like never before, without any legal oversight, AI is also automating and causing much more pressure on those social sites.

The future is bleak, LLMs are going to destroy what little "Far West" we still had and turn all the open sites into even more walled gardens.

So far AI is just creating bullshit art, and destroying the open internet.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by chimeracoder »

Kiro wrote: post #243
grayrest wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a longtime Reddit user, I immediately disliked the redesign but since I've been on the other side I decided it give it a month. I now deliberately dislike the redesign. I get most of my value out of reddit in the text subreddits and the conversation view in the redesign is awful. Things are highly collapsed and following a conversation requires repeated expansions. The comment count without loading more is extreme…

I personally think reddit is an example of an actual bad redesign, so I'm not saying this is true for all redesigns. I do however think it was true for Fark, at least from how I remember it. With that said, I don't think old.reddit is that good either unless you only want to read text-only posts, and it's pretty much unusable on mobile.

> With that said, I don't think old.reddit is that good either unless you only want to read text-only posts, and it's pretty much unusable on mobile.

Old Reddit is nearly unusable on mobile, but it's still better than the new Reddit on mobile, which is... actually quite impressive (and not in a good way).

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by alex3305 »

dacryn wrote: post #71
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

at this point, there is only 1 way to save reddit, and it's so drastic that they wont do it because the ones who need to do it are too blind or too far away * fire spez * promise a clear committed roadmap of mod tools * promise to review 3rd party API pricing, and delay the current rollout It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

> [...] who need to do it are too blind [...]

You mean, those who cannot use the official Reddit app because of lack of accessibility?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ycombinete wrote: post #284
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's my question: Can HN recover from this? It was already getting choppy with the election and cryptocurrency generating huge emotional hellthreads. Then came Musk and Mastodon. Now it's Reddit. HN is just turning into another hub of tech outrage. This site is giving me pain to read now. Want to see a contrast? Look at the comments on this Reddit drama and compare it against the original Digg redesign drama on HN…

In general the lack of separate communities, and the technical posts that take up a good portion of the front page seem to guard against that kind of Eternal September on HN. The top of the front page right now: 1. Before Reddit and Digg, there was Fark. Then a user-hostile redesign killed it (fark.com) 2. Why Perl? 3. Video to Video with Stable Diffusion (Step-by-Step) – Stable Diffusion Art 4. The Surprising Power…

We can always hit the emergency button labeled "please post and upvote some Erlang stories quick!". Worked well in the past.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by vxNsr »

mr_mitm wrote: post #70
MattGaiser wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally don't find the ads at all objectionable on the old.reddit.com site. They blend in with the other content reasonably well (so you see a Jetbrains ad when on /r/programmerhumor), don't slow down the site, either fit the flow well or hang out on the side, etc. I find the targeting to be good enough that I look forward to the ads to a certain extent as I have found all sorts of fun products that way.

Plus, they have the Reddit gold program. Not sure if that is enough, but does Reddit really need 2000 employees and hundreds of millions of CV money? I have a hard time estimating what it costs to run a site like Reddit.

Reddit has been overwhelmed by a certain type of employee that spends more time worrying about the political opinions of their colleagues and less about excellence and productivity. Similar to twitter which turned out to be a finely tuned Rube-Goldberg machine that required hourly maintenance to keep online. Im not saying I’m smart enough to make things work well but that such people exist and they don’t/didn’t work at either twitter or Reddit.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by GaggiX »

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #311

Could this be the ramifications of AI though? (edit: I mean, in light of StackOverflow also changing their policies recently) Not only are the LLMs like GPT effectively doing scraping like never before, without any legal oversight, AI is also automating and causing much more pressure on those social sites. The future is bleak, LLMs are going to destroy what little "Far West" we still had and turn all the open sites i…

AIs, in particular LLM models, are not scraping the internet, that's done by traditional software.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

matsemann wrote: post #102
dacryn wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

at this point, there is only 1 way to save reddit, and it's so drastic that they wont do it because the ones who need to do it are too blind or too far away * fire spez * promise a clear committed roadmap of mod tools * promise to review 3rd party API pricing, and delay the current rollout It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

Or they can continue their failed attempts at using chatgpt to astroturf a counter-movement, lol: https://i.imgur.com/4e9jO7P.jpg Edit, some context: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/146wn9s/commen... (spez / reddit ceo is a mod on r/programming, hence it still being up)

> (spez / reddit ceo is a mod on r/programming, hence it still being up)

The whole subreddit is down at the moment. I guess the other moderators disagree with the CEO?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by colourgarden »

blackluster117 wrote: post #259
smcl wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see why they might want someone with the ability to edit posts (removing extreme TOS stuff - racism, hate speech etc). But that's probably not for the CEO and certainly shouldn't be used simply to "troll the trolls" Also it's baffling to me that the CEO of reddit is a regular user and somehow isn't up in arms about how irritating it is to use the site.

How palpable would the irony be if he's an old.reddit.com guy?

Better than zero chance. He addressed it in the AMA thread last week.

> P.S. old.reddit.com isn’t going anywhere

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by progval »

sunaurus wrote: post #8

One of the interesting thing about the open source federated alternatives (like Lemmy) is that each instance can run their own version of the UI. So even if the maintainers decide to completely redesign everything, nothing is stopping instances from staying on the old design forever.

I run a Mastodon instance. I strongly dislike the v4 redesign, so I stick with the v3 branch for now. Unfortunately, there will be a day they stop maintaining v3, so I'll have to update to v4 if I don't want to be stuck with known security vulnerabilities. Maintaining a fork isn't an option because even a small patchset like glitch-soc takes a lot of work to keep updated.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by dredmorbius »

Root_Denied wrote: post #115
esskay wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only major downside (and the one that will ensure Lemmy doesn't gain any significant traction after this) is that its incredibly underdeveloped and nowhere near as close to being able to replace Reddit as Mastedon was for Twitter.

I would agree that that's currently true, however now there's suddenly a lot of pressure to get a viable alternative up and running at the scale necessary to absorb a critical mass of redditors. At the time when reddit absorbed digg users after the redesign it had a fair amount of downtime as part of its growing pains, I'd expect to see the same for all the proposed alternatives in the next few months. With how thoro…

Having been through a few large community migrations ... sudden pressure is a very poor stimulus for an effective transition.

Good and viable platforms tend to already exist and be highly stable. What I witnessed most especially as Google+ shut down is that a number of options were floated and promoted. Some were largely vapourware (e.g., TBL's Solid), there were any number of opportunistic sites which emerged, and often fringe and distinctly problematic services (e.g., MeWe) were strongly advocated by a small but vocal contingent.

What is most effective is to plan ahead, communicate clearly, maintain a diverse set of online presences, and to spec out possible migrations in detail. If subreddits started making such plans, their bargaining power over Reddit would be much, much stronger.

For online presence, major online services (FB, Twitter, Instagram, and these days probably TikTok etc.), a dedicated and fully-controlled website, and an email list (or lists) would be a very good starting point.

Good discussion sites are surprisingly difficult to find, and the basic options are fairly thin pickings. Old-school forums (e.g., phpBB), blogs (Wordpress, Dreamwidth, Drupal), and several of the federated platforms are probably the strongest options. I've helped curate a selection here:

https://social.antefriguserat.de/index.php/Platforms_and_Sit...>

Attempting to migrate to a not-yet-developed / early-beta project ... tends not to go very well.

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