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Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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Would be faster to just shut down the corporation and give the money back to the shareholders, whatever they have anyway, but your approach is not without merit, mostly in that I think it would be funny at this point.

That's basically why I'm advocating what I posted, that and also because I think it'd be a great chapter in tech history, showing how doubling down on a stupid user-hostile decision can destroy a company (assuming it does). Then, 30 years from now, people will still talk about how Reddit self-destructed when they decided they needed to control the user experience and forced everyone to use their app. Rationally, your…

> Then, 30 years from now, people will still talk about how Reddit self-destructed when they decided they needed to control the user experience and forced everyone to use their app.

No. What they'll be talking about is how Reddit had too many holes in its fence, and all its cows escaped. They'll then discuss all the advancement in cattle fencing and barn construction that happened in the 30 years since.

Why do people assume Reddit C-suite and investors are being stupid or narcissistic here? That would make sense if the relationship between them and the users was a friendly one. It isn't. It's adversarial. For Reddit (as well as Meta and other social media platforms), the users are cattle. Even worse than that - they're stochastic cattle. Nobody at the top cares if you or me are having a nice experience with the site/app. They care about the value extracted from us in aggregate. To them, it's an optimization problem, and it's been apparent for a long time now that the optimum point is usually "the most shitty and abusive possible version that still clears the 'fit for purpose' bar" (the end point is more obvious when you look at goods and services that have been around for a couple decades or more, and thus subject to decades of "value engineering").

It doesn't feel as bad when they're optimizing for future value extraction, but that time is past, and Reddit is currently squeezing value out of its cattle-base.

Is it sustainable? Since when did that question mattered to the captains of the industry? "Reddit" as a brand and company matters to the users; for its leaders and investors, it's just a money making instrument that takes time to mature, but exists to be squeezed, discarded and replaced by something else.

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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> they converted it to a subreddit with 1.5k subscribers. That definitely belongs in a textbook on absurd corporate decisions. I thought you must have been exaggerating somewhere, but nope, that is exactly how it went. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubsmash https://old.reddit.com/r/dubsmash/

It's only absurd if you misunderstand the true intention. They didn't acquire Dubsmash to profit from its technology and users. They acquired Dubsmash to shut it down. Today's social media corporations are so fat with (venture) capital that they can, and do, spend that kind of money just to keep any potential competitors locked out. TikTok, the last social network that became truly big, was launched in 2016, seven ye…

I'm surprised this doesn't violate anti-trust laws. Massive behemoths buying competitors to shut them down goes against the spirit of capitalism.

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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They are desperately trying to be TikTok. It will not work and has no chance of working. Look at their hilariously terrible acquisition of Dubsmash for $50 million (they converted it to a subreddit with 1.5k subscribers when they had 200 million users at their peak and touted having 25% of black teens in their acquisition press release. Every post is people saying the Reddit app sucks and asking where Dubsmash went)

Yes, everyone has TikTok envy since Musk started to augment Twitter to a video publishing platform.

This model does not fit for Reddit with its poor execution (old.reddit.com is still the best) and its user base.

More sites will split off and use the old.reddit.com code base.

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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That was a documentary.

Anyone that I know that has worked in Big tech in the past decade knows that. There has nothing that managed to capture the slice of life absurdity that Big Tech can be at some times than that show.

There were times I thought "I know someone like that", there were times I thought "I know that person", and there were times I literally knew people on it... It was disturbing to watch.

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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It's interesting everything trying to be TikTok. As a user, if I wanted TikTok i'd use TikTok. I don't want TikTok, so I don't use TikTok. I use Facebook mainly for hobby/owners groups these days as that's where a lot of them are. I sometimes use the market place. My feed is mainly my interests, motorbikes, local events, local cafes/restaurants etc etc. Then there's reels i never interact with which get forced on me…

This just seems to be the strategy they teach at business school, and it never works. I remember in the 2000s, all these mmos were popping up saying they were the "WoW killer". Um, no, people who play WoW already play WoW, and you are really trying to convince everyone who doesn't want to play WoW to play a game that is designed to be very similar. It never made any sense. But I guess if you are a business exec, and…

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Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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This is Silicon Valley (the show) level comical.

They ended that way too early. There is so much good content to write about now. I know it’s hard to transition, but do you really need (near) the full cast still?

Too early? It was always "oh now piedpiper fails… oh we saved it, we are rich again"

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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It's interesting everything trying to be TikTok. As a user, if I wanted TikTok i'd use TikTok. I don't want TikTok, so I don't use TikTok. I use Facebook mainly for hobby/owners groups these days as that's where a lot of them are. I sometimes use the market place. My feed is mainly my interests, motorbikes, local events, local cafes/restaurants etc etc. Then there's reels i never interact with which get forced on me…

> I wanted TikTok i'd use TikTok You want some experience, but then you describe how Youtube is forcing you to click through shorts and BS as that. I think power users should give up on direct interaction with internet. With youtube you can have a scripts that download videosm, and filter out shorts, ads and other garbage. With news you can just print everything on laser printer... Spotify should be exported as bunch…

i (at least), as a power user, don't want to work for every small thing in my life. my free time gets spent on hobbies and friends, not on fixing the broken web. if i can use those tools with low friction, i will, if not, i will stop doing it entirely.

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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I remember the weekly rotating "Covid in Russia" threads in /r/worldnews where people were cheering for more Russian deaths. Voicing objections didn't get you just shadowbanned, to maintain the illusion that everyone agrees that Russians need to die, it got you permabanned on multiple of the biggest subreddits. For voicing objections to this vile practice, my 8 year old account got permabanned from /r/worldnews, /r/m…

I can't decide how to feel about this. It's unrelated to the reddit access issue and very hard to believe (the "I got banned for saying it's bad to wish for covid to kill random citizens and multiple subreddits conspire against me" part, not the hiding accents part). At the same time, it sounds bad and I somehow don't expect malice from your side, just misunderstanding somewhere. So idk, I understand that it's hard t…

Those threads were at the top of /r/worldnews for months. Each week the old one would be deleted and a new one posted. Everyone has seen them. Why are people pretending they weren't there? Because no one is going to admit they supported this or were the ones that looked the other way. Not even to themselves - they're the heroes of their own story. I understand the situation and why I'm downvoted - I wouldn't have posted it if I cared about HN points. I would feel worse if I hadn't made this post.

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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They are desperately trying to be TikTok. It will not work and has no chance of working. Look at their hilariously terrible acquisition of Dubsmash for $50 million (they converted it to a subreddit with 1.5k subscribers when they had 200 million users at their peak and touted having 25% of black teens in their acquisition press release. Every post is people saying the Reddit app sucks and asking where Dubsmash went)

Yes, everyone has TikTok envy since Musk started to augment Twitter to a video publishing platform. This model does not fit for Reddit with its poor execution (old.reddit.com is still the best) and its user base. More sites will split off and use the old.reddit.com code base.

Musk doesn't have the intellectual capacity to do anything but turn Twitter into a furnace for his own capital at this point.
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