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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by yanderekko »

sveme wrote: post #41
SilkRoadie wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter killed a lot of third party apps and it just grew and grew. I suspect there is a vocal minority complaining about these changes. Most sub’s are going dark for 2 days. Time will pass and Reddit will continue to have a highly active user base.

Reddit is relying heavily on the voluntary work of moderators. Without them and power users that indirectly curate the content of subreddits, the site is toast. Reddit is not dying by alienating its user base; it might be if they are alienating their power users.

This boycott will not leave Reddit bereft of moderators or powerusers.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by xxs »

MattGaiser wrote: post #103
mike_d wrote: post #85

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I would bet money that Reddit has the highest percentage of ad blocking users. Either by way of browser extension or third party apps. They just don't have enough impressions to cover the outlandish costs associated with running the site. Combined with lax content moderation policies, advertisers see more value going with third parties that can push a viral story about a product to the homepage. There is no one probl…

Reddit hosts its own ads, so seems like it would be relatively trivial to overcome the adblockers and insert them directly into the feed server side. Sure, that will piss a few people off, but more than this?

They should not use any CSS b/c lots of blocking is just based on elements and their style.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by onli »

miroljub wrote: post #92
onli wrote: post #49

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This references the Apollo client discussion and is wrong on many levels. 1. They are not "reining in" expenses, they are purposely pricing out 3rd-party clients (which probably has the goal to show more ads, not less) 2. The $10M buyout comments was a reasonable comment countering the statement that reddit loses $20M each year by users using Apollo. A comment which was a half-joke, as the audio recording shows clear…

> 2. The $10M buyout comments was a reasonable comment countering the statement that reddit loses $20M each year by users using Apollo. A comment which was a half-joke, as the audio recording shows clearly. In that case, buying Appolo for $10M would have been a steal and Reddit would have jumped on it. They didn't, their prior statement was probably a lie. If something loses me 20M$ per year and I have an option to b…

That sounds completely reasonable - if you assume the users currently on Apollo 1) Can't be made to pay, directly with a price for the app or micropayments or indirectly via ads 2) Would move to the official app if Apollo shut down and 3) Don't bring in posts and comments with which other users engage, raising money that way.

Sounds to me that shutting it down is the one sure way to lose money, but I also don't trust that the reddit team had made that calculation properly. This all seems like a short term profit or like a power play to me.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by toofy »

onli wrote: post #49
hackernewds wrote: post #23

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and when you try to rein in expenses to show less ads, the community begins to propose $10M buyouts and every refrain from reasonable optimizations of their API calls.

This references the Apollo client discussion and is wrong on many levels. 1. They are not "reining in" expenses, they are purposely pricing out 3rd-party clients (which probably has the goal to show more ads, not less) 2. The $10M buyout comments was a reasonable comment countering the statement that reddit loses $20M each year by users using Apollo. A comment which was a half-joke, as the audio recording shows clear…

i don’t care either way, other than HN and some Mastodon i don’t really social media much anymore. Reddit could disappear tonight and it wouldn’t bother me much, but…

> A comment which was a half-joke, as the audio recording shows clearly.

…at some point people need to understand that jokes are about timing, about audience, about place, and the subjects of the joke.

again, i have no dog in the fight, but the number of times i’ve heard “it was clearly a joke” is wild. we’ve all seen people from every political corner from every walk of life proclaim “clearly that was a joke” when repeatedly it wasn’t received this way by those involved.

jokes are about timing.

all of that said, i do wish the founder of apollo well, if old.reddit wasn’t your thing apollo truly was one of the better alternatives.

slight tangent, but this is another lesson on how we inevitably screw ourselves when relying on non-open source.

if it isn’t ours, the thing is someone else’s. we have to face this. we repeatedly see the repercussions of ignoring this fact.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by drumhead »

bertman wrote: post #106
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #95

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Here's my question: Can HN recover from this? It was already getting choppy with the election and cryptocurrency generating huge emotional hellthreads. Then came Musk and Mastodon. Now it's Reddit. HN is just turning into another hub of tech outrage. This site is giving me pain to read now. Want to see a contrast? Look at the comments on this Reddit drama and compare it against the original Digg redesign drama on HN…

You forgot AI. Also: >Want to see a contrast? The new Digg (2012) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4321773 What difference in comment quality do you mean exactly?

Wow, it was peak "Apple, my way or the highway" mentality there. They were also expecting users to ultimately just put up with it, it doesn't seem like they expected the exodus. Calling Noscript users entitled. It really does feel like a different era. People aren't so ready to give tech companies the benefit of the doubt now.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by lopis »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #123
bertman wrote: post #106

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You forgot AI. Also: >Want to see a contrast? The new Digg (2012) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4321773 What difference in comment quality do you mean exactly?

> You forgot AI. You're right, but the reason I didn't include it is that the coverage around AI isn't all emotional. There's a lot of hype behind it yes, but at it's core it's based on new products that people are excited about. But maybe I should have. A lot of them devolve into the same type of hellthread. > What difference in comment quality do you mean exactly? Discussion about CSS and web design features, discu…

On one hand, it doesn't make sense to be talking about CSS and web design when we are talking about _policy_ changes. I'm sure if you go back to when Reddit first released the new frontend, you would fine all the CSS discussions you look for.

On the other hand, lots of discussions are also happening around design and accessibility. Reddit's official app has bad design, including many dark patterns and terrible accessibility and performance. This has been discussion alongside the policy changes from day one.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by dgb23 »

libraryatnight wrote: post #55
jwrallie wrote: post #22

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There were times like this in the past (the changes when Pao became CEO and later the censorship through quarantining of multiple subreddits came to my mind, but there were others). I think the main reason there was no exodus similar to Digg's is not due to good policy on Reddit's side (it became increasingly worse over time) but the lack of a competitor that could quickly scale to receive a migration without going d…

Anecdotal feeling alert: I think some people won't need an alternate. I am just letting reddit go. I don't get enough value from it to care of it exists anymore. I let Twitter go after the free speech absolutists super sensitive filter flagged me for saying I hope Microsoft burns for what a nightmare they've made their os (trying to help a non savvy user use a local account), I did the automated appeal assuming conte…

I never used Reddit the way you describe. I use it as a forum for niche interests and it’s decent for that. Similar to php based forums but it’s one login and plenty of participants.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by user_named »

Ekaros wrote: post #119
dacryn wrote: post #71

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at this point, there is only 1 way to save reddit, and it's so drastic that they wont do it because the ones who need to do it are too blind or too far away * fire spez * promise a clear committed roadmap of mod tools * promise to review 3rd party API pricing, and delay the current rollout It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

Maybe instead of this banning 3rd part Apps. They could charge all users 9.99 or 19.99 a month. Thus generate revenue for the IPO.

You'd probably get at most 5% signing up for the paid plan so the price would have to be more than 20x what they get from a free user seeing ads. Could work if they cut down the size of the organ but that has literally never happened

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by scrame »

boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

no,this is for that IPO.

/s if needed

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by drumhead »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #95
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

Here's my question: Can HN recover from this? It was already getting choppy with the election and cryptocurrency generating huge emotional hellthreads. Then came Musk and Mastodon. Now it's Reddit. HN is just turning into another hub of tech outrage. This site is giving me pain to read now. Want to see a contrast? Look at the comments on this Reddit drama and compare it against the original Digg redesign drama on HN…

It's a good place to discuss these changes. Especially if your an IT entrepreneur. You can get priceless information about user attitudes to change and what they really want and not want. The level of discourse he is much better than most anywhere else, so you get well thought out opinions and arguments.
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