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Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by winternett »

vel0city wrote: post #577
winternett wrote: post #425

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The last time I drove into downtown Manhattan, just inches form the bridge, I was immediately pulled over by NYPD and given an excessive $150 ticket for the window tints on my car. I demonstrated to the officer that Range Rover made them that way from the factory *limo tint" and that it was legal in my home state, but they had shown that they apparently have always had the inclination to pull people over for bogus mi…

I live in a state which has extremely lax gun ownership and open carry laws. I guess I should just be able to ignore all other state firearm laws when I travel based on your logic.

Surely you realize that window tint and guns are 2 completely different things, and that tint can't be taken out simply before entering a city when it's embedded in the window glass by the manufacturer right?

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by winternett »

DeRock wrote: post #454
winternett wrote: post #425

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The last time I drove into downtown Manhattan, just inches form the bridge, I was immediately pulled over by NYPD and given an excessive $150 ticket for the window tints on my car. I demonstrated to the officer that Range Rover made them that way from the factory *limo tint" and that it was legal in my home state, but they had shown that they apparently have always had the inclination to pull people over for bogus mi…

I for one am glad they are enforcing the law. Highly tinted windows obstruct the important communication of being able to make eye contact with the driver. It’s important for other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. I’m not sure why your home states laws matter when you were driving in NY?

Uh... ?

"I demonstrated to the officer that Range Rover made them that way from the factory"

Am I supposed to break the windows out before going to NYC?

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by midoridensha »

pcurve wrote: post #504
ryandrake wrote: post #395

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> We are planning to spend something like $3B/mile to expand a single train line a few stops further north. > The MTA estimates they can put in platform doors like other developed world cities in only 1/3 of stations, at an average cost of $50M/station. > We spent something close to $10B building an entire new terminal for LIRR I'd love to see the itemized bills that add up to these values. We all know this isn't wha…

MTA costs make the Boston Big Dig look like a bargain, even at $22 billion. I'm convinced, if they contract this out to first-tier construction firms from oversea that specialize in underground infrastructure (e.g. Europe, Japan, Korea), they can get the job done at 1/3rd the cost.

>I'm convinced, if they contract this out to first-tier construction firms from oversea that specialize in underground infrastructure (e.g. Europe, Japan, Korea), they can get the job done at 1/3rd the cost.

No, they can't, unless the US somehow temporarily makes NYC Japanese territory for the duration of the project. Any foreign firm would still be stuck with the same laws, and the same politicians and other corrupt people, that are in position today and prevent efforts at economical construction.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by midoridensha »

rafram wrote: post #561
winternett wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time I drove into downtown Manhattan, just inches form the bridge, I was immediately pulled over by NYPD and given an excessive $150 ticket for the window tints on my car. I demonstrated to the officer that Range Rover made them that way from the factory *limo tint" and that it was legal in my home state, but they had shown that they apparently have always had the inclination to pull people over for bogus mi…

You have to follow the laws of the place you’re in. The place you’re from is completely irrelevant. They don’t let British people drive on the left in NYC because that’s their local custom, and they don’t let you have illegally tinted windows, either.

Did you miss the part about the OP's windows having a factory tint? They came that way from the factory; it wasn't an aftermarket add-on. So, these windows must therefore be in compliance with the federal rules for motor vehicles, or else the car couldn't be sold in the US.

It should not be possible for a state to pass and enforce motor vehicle laws that override the federal government.

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Post by tehjoker »

nimbleplum40 wrote: post #489
tehjoker wrote: post #482

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The main reason to have a personal vehicle now is that there's an ongoing pandemic and there are no mitigations. If people would do something about that, it would make more sense to reinvest in higher density environmentally friendly transit options.

Covid is no longer a threat for the vast, vast majority of people. If it is for you, that’s a big bummer (I mean that genuinely. A close friend of mine is immunocompromised due to chemo and it fucking sucks), but you can wear an N95 on transit or, better yet, pay the congestion charge and enjoy the _lower traffic_ commute than before.

Unfortunately, you are misinformed. Deaths are lower from acute infection (still hundreds a day), but long covid affects up to 20% of reinfected w/ omicron. It is currently unknown what the long term implications of infection are (but multi organ damage is documented, incl. cardiac/vascular issues and brain damage). Note that HIV presents w/ mild flu-like symptoms and kills 10 years later. Other viruses have long term implications. The gov. has abandoned you for the economy and you should be very angry. They killed a million of your fellow citizens to make the line go up.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

steveBK123 wrote: post #614
closeparen wrote: post #610

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Exactly. ”A tax on drivers” as the parent put it is actually a failure scenario here. Everybody gets low-grade immiserated by the tax but congestion is not reduced enough to improve quality of life.

My general concern with the whole thing is it's basically not thinking BIG enough. We're gonna raise the cost of driving into the city so that we have less people drive into the city and then.... ?! and then.. !? Presumably that will put more load on transit infrastructure that is under built and 10x reasonable cost to build. We can fund transit but we can't build it. The MTA has already borrowed 15 years of projecte…

> MTA has already borrowed 15 years of projected congestion pricing revenue with the revenue as collateral. Great, so what does $15B get us

Signal modernization, station accessibility, new subway cars (last 2x longer), escalator and elevator repairs, new tracks and the 2nd Avenue Subway's Phase II (taking it to 125th street) [1].

[1] https://new.mta.info/document/10641

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by fennecfoxy »

Nothing new, London has congestion charge/ULEZ, it works decently well apart from the Tory corruption that allows all the assholes here to drive giant range rovers/SUVs in London, they should've banned new registrations drivable in London for SUVs in like mid 2000s or something.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by Reason077 »

devb wrote: post #423
f33d5173 wrote: post #363

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I imagine the difficulty would be in ensuring that the train lines up exactly with the doors. In that cade, retrofitting would need to apply to the train and control system, not just the platform itself.

That's not the issue. Union Square on the Park Avenue line and the old South Ferry on the 7th Avenue line both had platform "gap fillers" installed decades ago that require the train to stop at an exact location each and every time: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/14th-street-union-square... Every station has lining boards that the conductor must check before opening the doors to ensure that the entire train is s…

London's Jubilee line extension had platform doors since it was opened in December 1999, but the upgrade to automatic train operation wasn't completed until 2011.

So for a long time, drivers had to manually stop the train at alignment points. This did cause occasional delays and problems, but it wasn't unworkable. As a passenger you did sometimes notice that the train doors weren't aligned perfectly with the platform doors. Now days, of course, it stops perfectly every time.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by steveBK123 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #646
steveBK123 wrote: post #614

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My general concern with the whole thing is it's basically not thinking BIG enough. We're gonna raise the cost of driving into the city so that we have less people drive into the city and then.... ?! and then.. !? Presumably that will put more load on transit infrastructure that is under built and 10x reasonable cost to build. We can fund transit but we can't build it. The MTA has already borrowed 15 years of projecte…

> MTA has already borrowed 15 years of projected congestion pricing revenue with the revenue as collateral. Great, so what does $15B get us Signal modernization, station accessibility, new subway cars (last 2x longer), escalator and elevator repairs, new tracks and the 2nd Avenue Subway's Phase II (taking it to 125th street) [1]. [1] https://new.mta.info/document/10641

I think slide 7 also paints an interesting picture - +50% ridership in last 20 years, -8% capital capital investment years MTA-wide over 20 years in constant dollars.

I can't put an exact date on it, but somewhere around 2010/2012 it started feeling like the transit system was getting consistently worse, year over year. Mostly in terms of delays, headways, etc.

I have some cousins in the industry, and one of the problems they point to aside from work rules is that city/state agencies have basically no expertise in house for infrastructure. This is despite the fact that there has been a steady stream of some amount of work for decades. That means everything from project design, planning, management, accounting... literally everything is outsourced. All the MTA does is essentially ask for designs & bids, picks one, and then bleeds money to contractors.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Post by steveBK123 »

midoridensha wrote: post #644
rafram wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to follow the laws of the place you’re in. The place you’re from is completely irrelevant. They don’t let British people drive on the left in NYC because that’s their local custom, and they don’t let you have illegally tinted windows, either.

Did you miss the part about the OP's windows having a factory tint? They came that way from the factory; it wasn't an aftermarket add-on. So, these windows must therefore be in compliance with the federal rules for motor vehicles, or else the car couldn't be sold in the US. It should not be possible for a state to pass and enforce motor vehicle laws that override the federal government.

I'd be curious on the exact veracity. For example, limo tint to which he refers is usually restricted to the rear seats. My European brand SUV also has tinted windows in the rear but not the front.

So is his car truly pure factory, or any chance it was a dealer or aftermarket mod to tint the front to match the rear.. as this is something people commonly do (I did not).

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