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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Apocryphon »

u801e wrote: post #25
chc4 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Reddit first introduced their terrible mobile site years ago, they thankfully left around the old i.reddit.com (also known as .compact) around, which I exclusively used and so didn't really care much about the horrendously user-hostile current mobile site, with its popup windows begging you to use the app. They removed it entirely a month or so ago. I now no longer use Reddit.

At least old.reddit.com still works and it's usable, more or less, on mobile.

Yeah that’s what I use

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by matsemann »

dacryn wrote: post #71
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

at this point, there is only 1 way to save reddit, and it's so drastic that they wont do it because the ones who need to do it are too blind or too far away * fire spez * promise a clear committed roadmap of mod tools * promise to review 3rd party API pricing, and delay the current rollout It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

Or they can continue their failed attempts at using chatgpt to astroturf a counter-movement, lol: https://i.imgur.com/4e9jO7P.jpg

Edit, some context: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/146wn9s/commen...

(spez / reddit ceo is a mod on r/programming, hence it still being up)

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by MattGaiser »

mike_d wrote: post #85
antupis wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current ads at Reddit are not that bad, it is nothing like youtube which is borderline unwatchable at the moment. But for Reddit general there is like lot of astroturfing currently and if Reddit could start capturing some value from that and same time show for regular user that this is commercial/pr account would be win-win for Reddit and regular users.

I would bet money that Reddit has the highest percentage of ad blocking users. Either by way of browser extension or third party apps. They just don't have enough impressions to cover the outlandish costs associated with running the site. Combined with lax content moderation policies, advertisers see more value going with third parties that can push a viral story about a product to the homepage. There is no one probl…

Reddit hosts its own ads, so seems like it would be relatively trivial to overcome the adblockers and insert them directly into the feed server side. Sure, that will piss a few people off, but more than this?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by randomdata »

littlestymaar wrote: post #73
rapsey wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is still not profitable.

It's not trying to be. They only care about the value of the equity, not about profitability. It'd pretty easy to be a profitable company with a $10 million turnover, but you're not going to be a unicorn this way. Founders and VC wants high return on their equity, and today being enormous without profitability is valued more than being reasonable and profitable.

spez's comment "We’ll continue to be profit-driven until profits arrive. Unlike some of the 3P apps, we are not profitable." suggests a real concern about not being profitable. In fact, the whole ordeal reeks of panic – a last ditch attempt to right the ship before bankruptcy sets in.

There was once an age where investors would buy in simply on the belief of unicornedness, but that ship sailed several months ago. Investors have become much more critical of tech businesses, showing substantially less interest in tech companies that aren't displaying strong fundamentals. A recent Fidelity report indicates Reddit's own valuation has dropped by 41% on that change in sentiment.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by bertman »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #95
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

Here's my question: Can HN recover from this? It was already getting choppy with the election and cryptocurrency generating huge emotional hellthreads. Then came Musk and Mastodon. Now it's Reddit. HN is just turning into another hub of tech outrage. This site is giving me pain to read now. Want to see a contrast? Look at the comments on this Reddit drama and compare it against the original Digg redesign drama on HN…

You forgot AI.

Also:

>Want to see a contrast?

The new Digg (2012) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4321773

What difference in comment quality do you mean exactly?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by milsorgen »

jfengel wrote: post #86

That was 16 years ago, and it's going along just fine. I don't think it ever held a really dominant position. It was never famous or well known. It seems content to have a loyalish fan base who either see ads or pay to remove them. That seems to pay to keep it alive and a smallish staff to keep it running, and it doesn't seem to desire any more than that. The comments right from the beginning of that thread are sarca…

Fark was pretty well known back in the day. Certainly not /. levels of famous but online people of a certain age all seem to remember the name.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by miked85 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #4

Digg was also killed by a user-hostile redesign. Reddit was wise enough to keep its redesign indefinitely optional, at least.

It was impressive how quickly Digg killed itself with the terrible redesign. Back then, Reddit was mostly considered a knockoff. It actually was to a large degree, but everyone moved to it very quickly.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #59

I don't know if what's happening at Reddit is enough to kill it to be honest. A few subreddits I subscribe to (San Francisco, videos, etc) all went dark, claiming to be doing so "indefinitely". Effectively you cannot access those subreddits even to look at archived things. The Reddit staff/leadership can just decide to un-darken those subs and I'll "cross the picket lines". I suspect most are like me. That's the hone…

if you don't like people suspending you (and/or everyone else) from their subreddit, you can always create your own, or deal with the root cause of why they're doing it

> don't darken the sub and make it blocked to everyone

don't tell people what to do with their subreddit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by dgb23 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #40
rapsey wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the business model is terrible. You need to sell ads to survive and the ads ruin the site.

I personally don't find the ads at all objectionable on the old.reddit.com site. They blend in with the other content reasonably well (so you see a Jetbrains ad when on /r/programmerhumor), don't slow down the site, either fit the flow well or hang out on the side, etc. I find the targeting to be good enough that I look forward to the ads to a certain extent as I have found all sorts of fun products that way.

I don’t mind context targeted ads, they are even useful sometimes. User targeted ads are invasive and I avoid them.
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