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Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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They've developed a sort of polite code that stands in for more precise/honest wording they would use in person. Execs understand the discoverable nature of email.

I'm not an exec, but I've worked with people that make millions in big tech. You just don't get there unless you are fantastically competent at what you do. Pettiness and immaturity really just is an inefficiency that nobody wants to deal with at that level. When the decisions you are making are measured in the 10s to 100s of millions then nobody else will tolerate a second of your emotions. You'll quickly find yours…

I've also noticed an aspect of group think at that level, people who go against the current philosophy of the group, even if they are unemotional about it, tend to get booted out or fired too.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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This might not be a popular view here, but I'm surprised how professional they are in these exchanges. I would expect a much more visceral discussion on how the other party is trying to bypass paying them, how they can get more money the other way, etc.

They've developed a sort of polite code that stands in for more precise/honest wording they would use in person. Execs understand the discoverable nature of email.

No they don't. Source: the entire archive of Internal Tech Emails.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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They've developed a sort of polite code that stands in for more precise/honest wording they would use in person. Execs understand the discoverable nature of email.

I'm not an exec, but I've worked with people that make millions in big tech. You just don't get there unless you are fantastically competent at what you do. Pettiness and immaturity really just is an inefficiency that nobody wants to deal with at that level. When the decisions you are making are measured in the 10s to 100s of millions then nobody else will tolerate a second of your emotions. You'll quickly find yours…

> You just don't get there unless you are fantastically competent at what you do.

lol, or you convince Softbank to hand you a hundred million dollars. There are some competent people in tech but just because you're an executive doesn't mean you are competent, rational, or even smart.

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They've developed a sort of polite code that stands in for more precise/honest wording they would use in person. Execs understand the discoverable nature of email.

No they don't. Source: the entire archive of Internal Tech Emails.

Those are not the people at that level.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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This might not be a popular view here, but I'm surprised how professional they are in these exchanges. I would expect a much more visceral discussion on how the other party is trying to bypass paying them, how they can get more money the other way, etc.

Any manager let alone high-ranking exec is instructed (in management training and through many many reminders) not to put anything in writing that they would not want in precisely these types of leaks.

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If you’re steering a platform, you want people to use your APIs and tools. I don’t see how that’s controversial. Otherwise, what are you even doing?

It's not about using their APIs and tools. It's about banning competition. That is beyond controversial - it should be illegal. What they should be doing? Competing on merit. Not pushing lock-in.

It's illegal when a company has a monopoly, but otherwise that's the nature of business. The line of thought that 'apple has a monopoly in iPhone software distribution' never seemed very compelling to me since they don't have a monopoly on mobile phones in general.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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I rabbit-holed to the 2005 "irate call" from Steve Jobs: https://www.techemails.com/p/sergey-brin-irate-call-from-ste... Does anyone know who was the REDACTED browser expert being recruited by Google?

So many interesting things there. Jobs and Campbell knew each other from Apple antiquity, and both Campbell and Eric Schmidt sat on Apple's board - and Jobs was already ballistic about Android vs. iPhone. On one hand I understand how Jobs would have been angry about Google trying to poach the Safari team for Chrome, but on the other I completely agree that anti-poaching schemes (as well as non-compete clauses) are ha…

> One fair solution for employees would presumably have been to deal with it head on and make competing offers up to the level of the Safari team's actual value to Apple

Money does not solve all problems. Sometimes people leave companies and there is no dollar value that will get them to come back.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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As a web app developer your perspective actually makes you desire a monopoly so you only have to test once. But, as a person I don't want that situation at all.

I don’t know a single non-technical end user that even knows what web “engine” powers their browser, let alone cares. This is not something real people remotely think about.

That doesn't mean it doesn't matter or doesn't affect them.
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