Apple Execs on Facebook (2011) • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by pxue » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 10:41 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #15

tambourine_man wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re steering a platform, you want people to use your APIs and tools. I don’t see how that’s controversial. Otherwise, what are you even doing?

It's not about using their APIs and tools. It's about banning competition. That is beyond controversial - it should be illegal. What they should be doing? Competing on merit. Not pushing lock-in.

Allowing third party also circumnavigates Apple's approval process.

Personally I don't care about giving up choice if it means reduction of spam.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 10:42 PM UTC

I rabbit-holed to the 2005 "irate call" from Steve Jobs: https://www.techemails.com/p/sergey-brin-irate-call-from-ste...

Does anyone know who was the REDACTED browser expert being recruited by Google?

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by stubybubs » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 10:42 PM UTC

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Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by tyingq » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 10:43 PM UTC

htk wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular view here, but I'm surprised how professional they are in these exchanges. I would expect a much more visceral discussion on how the other party is trying to bypass paying them, how they can get more money the other way, etc.

They've developed a sort of polite code that stands in for more precise/honest wording they would use in person. Execs understand the discoverable nature of email.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by bsaul » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 10:44 PM UTC

reading this makes wonder what scott forstall is doing now. I hope he's not completely disgusted by what happened to him at apple and will get back to creating tech. We need people with truely innovative ideas from that era.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by hgsgm » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 10:44 PM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #24

htk wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular view here, but I'm surprised how professional they are in these exchanges. I would expect a much more visceral discussion on how the other party is trying to bypass paying them, how they can get more money the other way, etc.

They've developed a sort of polite code that stands in for more precise/honest wording they would use in person. Execs understand the discoverable nature of email.

This email was shortly after Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt blatantly discussed their illegal wage suppression scheme until Schmidt sent an email saying basically "let's stop emailing about our crimes".

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by Andrex » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 10:45 PM UTC

tambourine_man wrote: post #14

I find these emails exchanges fascinating and a treasure trove when you consider a company as secretive and influential as Apple. What I don’t understand is how they used an unencrypted form of communication for such important topics.

> What I don’t understand is how they used an unencrypted form of communication for such important topics.

?

What would encryption have changed? Apple were compelled to produce these as part of Epic v. Apple.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by hgsgm » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 10:45 PM UTC

extr wrote: post #20

tambourine_man wrote: post #14

I find these emails exchanges fascinating and a treasure trove when you consider a company as secretive and influential as Apple. What I don’t understand is how they used an unencrypted form of communication for such important topics.

? It's not about encryption. These emails were subpoenaed.

Encrypt the email, rotate and delete keys after 18months.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by Someone » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 10:46 PM UTC

tambourine_man wrote: post #14

I find these emails exchanges fascinating and a treasure trove when you consider a company as secretive and influential as Apple. What I don’t understand is how they used an unencrypted form of communication for such important topics.

> What I don’t understand is how they used an unencrypted form of communication for such important topics.

How do you know they did? For all we know, this was on an internal mail system that encrypted messages everywhere, except when showing their content to humans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole)

Also, FTA: “[This document is from Epic v. Apple (2021).]”

I think that means they would have been forced to disclose this, even if it were encrypted (“we lost the keys” would be a viable defense to that, but would require a really, really good set of arguments supporting the claim that happened before a court order arrived)

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by tyingq » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 10:47 PM UTC

hgsgm wrote: post #26

tyingq wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've developed a sort of polite code that stands in for more precise/honest wording they would use in person. Execs understand the discoverable nature of email.

This email was shortly after Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt blatantly discussed their illegal wage suppression scheme until Schmidt sent an email saying basically "let's stop emailing about our crimes".

Yeah, I suppose hubris or anger sometimes blinds them to being prudent. I think they really got caught up in "poaching" somehow being the big problem.