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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by 221qqwe »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #662
avastmick wrote: post #494

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Sorry cities are much more efficient than any other form of human living [0]. It is suburbs and rural sprawl that creates the energy waste. Population drift towards the latter may cause the hollowing of cities which lead to crime and transport inefficiency. [0] https://theconversation.com/suburban-living-the-worst-for-ca...

It doesn't matter if you use half as much energy per capita if the thing you created results in 50x more people. When I say destroy the cities I mean to include the populations in them. Through policy you make their lives so miserable that they are not replaced generationally. A similar thing was done to rural areas, their people were systematically destroyed through policy. Most of the people on HN seem to be city-d…

> When I say destroy the cities I mean to include the populations in them

Pol pot? Is that you?

> It seems to be jarring for them to see their own policies of openly promoting the destruction of others lives

Says someone who just proposed mass extermination of billions of people?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by FinnKuhn »

sixQuarks wrote: post #516
claudiug wrote: post #295

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because is not like that?

Anyone who is knowledgeable about the subject knows it is not. They’re not even in the same league, it’s really laughable.

Than why is Mercedes able to sell me a system where I can legally watch youtube, etc. while in traffic on a highway without being liable for anything happening and at least 10s until I have to take over control of the car while Tesla can't?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

Sargos wrote: post #669
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #234

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Works well in Japan.

When I was in Japan a decade ago trains were only used between cities. I doubt that's changed.

I can't fathom how you got this impression. It would be like a visitor to the US saying that in their experience, cars are only used for travel between cities.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by worik »

Keyframe wrote: post #434
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) is great. Helpful, especially in city driving. I would appreciate "automated rumble strips" that warns me gently if I veer out of my lane. Stopping at a parking spot, push a button, and park my car for me, less useful but still worth it. You already have all of thi…

I wish I had a Volvo!

Good news.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by worik »

jalapenos wrote: post #609
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

Why buy "self-drive", when you can already pay a human to drive for a tiny fraction of the price? I haven't driven a car for over ten years, and I don't miss a thing. No traffic misery. No parking misery. No government misery (tickets etc). No spending on never-ending this and that. No getting angry about roadworks or other people cutting me off and other nonsense. It's absolute bliss.

I live in the country

I havetwo modes

1 home to beech with dog. Daily 10k total

2 town for supplies. Weekly 55k total

Not really suitable for taxies or Uber.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by worik »

lost_tourist wrote: post #468
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

I just need a car that will let me catch up on emails or reading the morning paper while it commutes me to work through rush hour traffic

>I just need a car that will let me catch up on emails or reading the morning paper while it commutes me to work through rush hour traffic

Bus? Train?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by worik »

ETH_start wrote: post #445
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

"That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it." Any computerized system is only going to advance over time, with its theoretical limits far beyond the current state of the technology. So full self-driving is clearly inevitable.

> Any computerized system is only going to advance over time, with its theoretical limits far beyond the current state of the technology.

That is not true

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by dataviz1000 »

hadlock wrote: post #592
dataviz1000 wrote: post #552

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I've been traveling around visiting US cities. Cities like San Antonio, TX with its Riverwalk and Atlanta with its Beltline not only show every other city a path towards walkable and sustainable future but also how a city can invest tens of millions in walkable infrastructure that yields billions in economic investment and development. Also, I don't have a car so I've been taking bus, train, plane, and occasional car…

San Antonio barely has a functional downtown, there's a grim shell of tourist oriented restaurants and hotels immediately around the river walk but really struggles to be a center of business. There are few condo buildings downtown. Unlike Dallas and Austin San Antonio hasn't really seen a resurgence of it's downtown region. Furthermore the river walk was built in the 1930s as a way to improve property values, and re…

The San Antonio river walk has been extended 15 miles along the San Antonio river north and south of the downtown area. It has spurred billions in investment along its banks. This is exactly what my point is, there isn't a resurgence in the downtown region because new development is happening north and south along the river.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by gamblor956 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #656
concordDance wrote: post #621

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I'd love to know the numbers on this. How many crashes with advanced drivers enabled are there and how many miles of driving have they done?

They might be mislead by articles like this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/15/business/self-driving-car... Where in the first few paragraphs it gives the impression Tesla has 5:1 deaths, but later you learn that they are including simple lane keeping and cruise control in the comparison, and > None of the cars using the automated systems were involved in fatal accidents

None of the cars using the automated systems were involved in fatal accidents

If you mean Tesla, that is definitely false. Mostly famously, the Bay Area crash where autopilot was conveniently disabled seconds before the car crashed into a barrier, killing the driver. In the aftermath, the driver's family, and other Tesla drivers noted that a recent update to FSD had caused a regression, whereby Teslas would swerve toward the divider instead of away from it.

simple lane keeping and cruise control in the comparison

Some of Tesla AP's worst fatalities are instances where the car was just replicating simple lane keeping functionality and yet the car still crashed into a big rig or emergency vehicle the Tesla didn't see but which any other carmaker's system would have seen.

Notably, in instances where the Tesla was at fault Musk refuses to discuss the accident, even though he otherwise has no issues releasing information about the driver when the driver is at fault. It's telling that Musk rarely (but still) does this, which means that every time he doesn't it's very strong circumstantial evidence that the car was at fault.

At some point you need to stop making excuses for Tesla's atrocious safety practices and abysmal safety record and just except that they're fundamentally dangerous cars.

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