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Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by themagician »

OldManRyan wrote: post #314

There's a good number of people saying this strike is meaningless and reddit's API change will only affect a tiny % of users. I want to explain why I believe they are wrong. Engagement is a power curve. Most content is created by a small subset of users. I think it is a fair to say that if you use and especially pay for third party tools, whether that be a client or something like RES, you are more than likely a powe…

Most of the content is also modded by a small subset of mods—literally dozens. You've got maybe a hundred mods who are "power mods" that control the vast majority of large subreddits, and these are the ones "protesting". They don't own the subreddits. They have no rights to them, but they like to pretend that they do. Their moderation has, in many ways, become oppressive to the userbase. You don't hear about it because—surprise—they ban those people.

Honestly, the mod structure on reddit needs to change. This protest will almost 100% backfire. If it actually impacts revenue the admins will just ban a few dozen mods and the protest will, effectively, be over. Users will probably be better off for it too.

The oppressive moderation that happens on reddit is not necessary. The very nature of the site is self moderating. Let people post what they want and vote on it.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by jcpsimmons »

Who cares? Redditors are really too much. Hoping that everything has a good resolution only because I don’t want Redditors fleeing to other sites that are (blissfully) free of their “culture”. Already have seen an unfortunate influx of them on this site.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by ben_w »

spiralx wrote: post #388
ben_w wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And do they want to put in the same effort to curating those communities as the moderators there've just overruled? Communities can thrive or fail depending on who is in charge. (What happened with regard to the mod banning an artist because they thought their art looked like it came from an AI? Last I heard the artist was able to show their workflow but the mod was unwilling to back down…)

Didn't both KotukuInAction and TheDonald get shut down by the sub's original creators due to them going off the rails and then forcibly re-opened by the admins and handed over to new moderators who were happy with the massive growth in a direction the original owner never intended and actively did not want?

I wouldn't know, but the question is more "can/will they do this to order?" rather than "can it ever be done?"

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by nologic01 »

jcims wrote: post #34
wpietri wrote: post #11

Great! There's a picket line I won't be crossing. Not just for those subs, of course, but for all of Reddit. The reason Reddit is valuable is not the few execs making these (IMHO terrible) decisions. It's the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I'm not going back.

Reddit is basically successful despite itself. It's wild.

What are the alternatives exactly?

Until we get interoperating platforms where people can easily migrate and reward the places that treat them the best we are stuck with the few platforms that managed to create network lock-in.

The social media as a prison operating model.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by jimmytucson »

dybber wrote: post #182
jimmytucson wrote: post #144

For the uninitiated, $2.52/month is what it would cost users to browse Reddit with Apollo under the current API pricing. RIF would be just $0.73/month[1]. For comparison, Reddit Premium is $5.99/month[2]. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/comment/... [2] https://www.reddit.com/premium

Would people maybe have been more okay with this, if the change was that you needed to pay for Reddit premium to be able to use API/other apps with your user? Then it was not be a bill forwarded to other apps, but a bill to each individual user using these apps? They would probably have been able to reduce the price of Reddit premium at the same time.

do you think 3rd party developers would be okay with this? in this scenario, the Reddit premium subscription fee would be a price floor and developers would have to charge a separate fee to use their app.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by jimmySixDOF »

jcims wrote: post #34
wpietri wrote: post #11

Great! There's a picket line I won't be crossing. Not just for those subs, of course, but for all of Reddit. The reason Reddit is valuable is not the few execs making these (IMHO terrible) decisions. It's the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I'm not going back.

Reddit is basically successful despite itself. It's wild.

Reddit is proof of Internet Rule No.51 "the better the content, the worse the User Interface"

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by spokeonawheel »

OldManRyan wrote: post #314

There's a good number of people saying this strike is meaningless and reddit's API change will only affect a tiny % of users. I want to explain why I believe they are wrong. Engagement is a power curve. Most content is created by a small subset of users. I think it is a fair to say that if you use and especially pay for third party tools, whether that be a client or something like RES, you are more than likely a powe…

they are wrong because 3rd party apps are the only way the site is actually usable on a mobile device.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by arthens »

jachee wrote: post #384
eksapsy wrote: post #361

Strike you say? That's like, as Louis Rossmann on his yt channel wisely said, "I am so angry, so infuriated that you're abusing me, that ..... I WILL... leave for 3 days and then come back for the rest of my life". Like it's literally like saying "hey I need you in my life". Do you know what message that sends? What would you think if your customers would say "hey Im not gonna come for 3 days but I'm coming for the r…

FWIW, Many of the participating subs are going dark indefinitely . And the real APIcalypse will happen in a couple of weeks, when people actually using third party apps literally can’t anymore.

Indefinitely until reddit picks new moderators and reopen them. No way they'll allow major subs closing down.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by Marcan »

SCUSKU wrote: post #70

Great! For any other compulsive Reddit addicts out there with uBlock Origin installed, you can block Reddit as follows: Click uBlock Origin extension -> click gears -> click "My Filters" tab -> paste this line ||reddit.com^$all

Thanks for the filter, very useful! I'm keeping this on until Reddit backtracks.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by calessian »

rchaud wrote: post #291
low_tech_punk wrote: post #256

Thinking on how to forward from here. Is the missing ADs revenue the crux of the problem? Instead of raising API price, what if Reddit injects ADs as real content for non premium API calls, so those API free riders/crawlers would get ADs indistinguishable from content. Well intended apps like Apollo could allow users to provide their premium identity and get AD free content. If this works, Reddit could even lower the…

> Is the missing ADs revenue the crux of the problem? No, it is the whole shebang which is why Reddit is forcing this extinction event for 3rd party apps. I use the Now for Reddit Android app and Reddit Enhancement Suite extension on desktop. With this combination, Reddit has stayed visually identical for the past decade. I never saw things like NFT avatars, RPAN livestreaming or any of the things Reddit has added to…

They could very well convince me to pay a subscription fee if they promised to not change the site anymore. Sure, that’s not exactly a great business model, but I do wonder if they’ll eventually pull the plug on old.reddit
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