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Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by davidktr »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #329
jimmytucson wrote: post #144

For the uninitiated, $2.52/month is what it would cost users to browse Reddit with Apollo under the current API pricing. RIF would be just $0.73/month[1]. For comparison, Reddit Premium is $5.99/month[2]. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/comment/... [2] https://www.reddit.com/premium

Great. I'd happily pay $2.52 per month. Now Apollo should release a version of the app with bring-your-own-API-keys, I'll sign up for developer access, and pay for my own API usage. Has no one thought of this?

You are missing the point that the developer needs a good working relationship with Reddit. He said very clearly that for him this is not about the money but about a passion project of his.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by wpietri »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #335
dasil003 wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh, Twitter and Reddit monetize just fine with ads. The problem comes in with VC expectations where everything must 1000x or die. These are not bad businesses, they're just small compared to Facebook or Google. What's needed is mature leadership that recognizes the value comes from the community, and following the private equity playbook of strip-mining the value is short-sighted.

> problem comes in with VC expectations where everything must 1000x or die Is "VC" tech's catch-all for capitalism? Reddit is pining to go public and Twitter just LBO'd. Neither is having its chain yanked by venture capital.

Reddit took $1.3 billion in investor money. What makes you say they're not having their chain yanked? Going public solves an investor problem, but I don't see it solving anything for Reddit's community.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by Monotoko »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #268
Monotoko wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can, I've already made a modified version of Apollo and sideloaded it onto my phone with a tweak to set my own key instead of Apollo's However there is a line on the developers page now that says all apps need to accept terms and sign up for a developers program, so I have my doubts it will continue to work either

How? Apollo’s dev never released the source code to the app, only the server which sends out push notifications.

Sideloadly and a lot of messing about, it doesn't need to be jailbroken though.

While it's still here: https://old.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/145y787/tutorial...

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by forbiddenlake »

com wrote: post #320
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They of course know (at the time of the mass Digg exodus Reddit specifically changed their alien icon to welcome Digg refugees), but the difference is that they are betting on the fact that right now there is no immediately obvious alternative, like Reddit was to Digg a decade ago.

Have you checked out https://tilde.net - I’m not connected to it (not even a registered user) but it looks solid.

That gives me a cert error then an Outlook Web Acess login. What is it?

edit: presumably, https://tildes.net/ with an s

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by rtsil »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #190
Blackthorn wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran a popular wiki for a decade and did exactly that, complete with API. Charging for it would have been insane landlord behavior because all the content on it was created by its users.

How do we educate the masses on avoiding insane digital landlords? Which is all the big players btw. And most small players too. It’s not just a big n corrupt edge case. I struggle with pitching the value of it in my products and would like to help peers

You can't because the digital landlords make everything free or almost free in the beginning, before raising it to stratospheric levels once the market is captive. Google did that with Maps. OpenAI is doing it with its API. And people like free or almost free things rather than reasonably-priced things.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by pneumonic »

TylerE wrote: post #248
foobarbecue wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I'm headed back to wikipedia, where I found community as a teenager. I think you can draw a direct line from wikimedia's nonprofit status to 22 years of greatness and steady improvement.

Eh, the Foundation has a lot of bloat and solicits donations far above actual operating costs.

True, but luckily they don't intrude on the community or impact the Wikipedia site too much beyond their ever more frequent "We desperately need donations" campaigns. As the Foundation has gotten richer, its desire for more milk from its Wikipedia cash cow has only grown.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by ChocMontePy »

coufu wrote: post #341
ChocMontePy wrote: post #285

I have to hand it to those app devs. The way they managed to dupe millions of Redditors into protesting was masterful. They didn't produce any good evidence that the new API price is excessive (some cherry-picking here, a deceptive comparison there) but they still managed to convince 99% of Reddit that it was true anyway. Bravo! It was a beautiful exercise in propaganda and the delusion of crowds.

Even if the API price was reasonable, Reddit only gave 3rd party apps 30 days to prepare. You can’t come up with a decent pricing model, billing infrastructure, and incorporate the logic in your app in that amount of time. It’s just overall very hostile and unreasonable from Reddit leadership. The biggest apps are forced to shut down because if they stay up, the millions of dollars in bills are going to start floodin…

I agree with you that the timeline is tight.

Relay For Reddit has just announced their preliminary plan to offer a $2-3 a month paid version. They sound cautiously optimistic and are hoping for some flexibility on the tight timeline.

This is in stark contrast to a week ago when they were very doom and gloom.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by GenerWork »

istillwritecode wrote: post #330
wpietri wrote: post #11

Great! There's a picket line I won't be crossing. Not just for those subs, of course, but for all of Reddit. The reason Reddit is valuable is not the few execs making these (IMHO terrible) decisions. It's the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I'm not going back.

I will continue to use reddit.

Same. One thing that I've noticed is that this seems to be a rebellion of power users and not the average Joe, which is why this has gotten so much traction on HN. To the Average Joe, if Apollo shuts down, they'll just download the Reddit app. However, HN users look at the Apollo dev and see themselves, so they're jumping on this out of solidarity.

I personally think this will last a few days and then all the default subs will either open by mod decisions or be forced open by Reddit admins. If it's the latter, I expect all existing mods to get the boot and replaced with people who are friendlier with Reddit admins. I also expect that usage of the official app will jump and there won't be any major disruptions to Reddit usage.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by DantesKite »

This would work better if there was a viable competitor to Reddit.

As it stands, there doesn't seem to be anywhere for these people to go, so they'll likely come back after a few days. Habits are hard to break.

Habits are a moat too.

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