What is reddit replacement then ?
It doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to clone the main elements of reddit. Hopefully someone is building one.
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#142Great! There's a picket line I won't be crossing. Not just for those subs, of course, but for all of Reddit. The reason Reddit is valuable is not the few execs making these (IMHO terrible) decisions. It's the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I'm not going back.
Reddit wanted 2.50/month/app which is like $30 ARPU, Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US. The app they’re burning down Reddit over is already charging $1/month and was ready to sell out and shut down for $10 million. Correct me if I’m wrong, but we usually don’t give out API keys to allow users to wholesale reproduce, redistribute, resell our data for free.
This isn't over one app. Many (most?) the app makers have noted the change is unsustainable for them.
One way to look at it is that Apollo, the app you're referencing that was able to charge $10 a year, would have to charge 2.5 times as much just to cover the access fees, and not any of their own overhead, much less allow for profit.
The issue here is that the ARPU calculation and assumptions are wrong. Is reddit losing out on that entirely if someone comes to them from a separate interface but still is served through them? Also, it's just too optimistic. Reddit has revenue of less than a dollar per site user (or maybe slightly more than a dollar now?). Most references I'm seeing showed reddit with an ARPU of well under $1 in 2021, closer to half a dollar. Are we expected to believe there's been a 40x increase in a year, or that after all the years reddit has functioned they'll be able to achieve that in the near future?
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The app they’re burning down Reddit over is Lmao. Do you even realize what all these are about...? Reddit's pricing API policy is making ALL the apps unsustaniable. It's not "the app". > Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US. Yeah so? Only users and mods in the US matter and fuck the rest of the world? Plus Reddit is, surprisingly, not Facebook. I don't even understand why you're comparing them. Actually I believe many p…
If you ran a website, would you allow 3rd parties to reproduce and sell your data for free?
If all the content on my website was literally donated by 3rd parties for the explicit and practically only purpose of online dissemination, I'd definitely think twice before paywalling it.
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#144For the uninitiated, $2.52/month is what it would cost users to browse Reddit with Apollo under the current API pricing. RIF would be just $0.73/month[1].
For comparison, Reddit Premium is $5.99/month[2].
[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/comment/...
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#145The cheek of Reddits management is incredible. They've taken hundreds of millions in VC money hired an army of developers and yet delivered nothing to improve the user experience. All we seem to have have got out of is new reddit, a terrible, slow facebook like version of the site and an absolutely terrible mobile app. Where the hell did the money go? They use the time, labour, creativity, stories, humour, talent, wi…
I found out yesterday that they have 2000 employees.
I realize most of these people are not engineers but what in the hell have they been spending their time on. Terrible
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#146The cheek of Reddits management is incredible. They've taken hundreds of millions in VC money hired an army of developers and yet delivered nothing to improve the user experience. All we seem to have have got out of is new reddit, a terrible, slow facebook like version of the site and an absolutely terrible mobile app. Where the hell did the money go? They use the time, labour, creativity, stories, humour, talent, wi…
Are you saying that you don't use the _groundbreaking_ one-on-one chat functionality that is a) running against the entire point of their anonymous discussion platform and b) total crap?
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
A curated set of links, rated, sorted, filtered, and discussion. That’s the content you want and are having a tantrum about not having free access to. You are free though to access the referenced content on your own if you can find out about it on your own.
Who curated them, rated them, sorted them, filtered them, and discussed them? Not Reddit. They're just the landlord here.
Yes and you rent the infrastructure needed to facilitate all those processes for millions of users.
You’re free to setup your own, or rent somewhere else. Regardless it costs money.
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#148The strike is less meaningful when imposed by moderators enforcing it. It's not simply a boycott of those using the app, which would be proportional. Moderators are dragging a lot of other people along with them that may not share the same opinions. I'm scratching my head that the general attitude seems to be that Reddit just shouldn't get paid.
The subs I follow made a poll, I'm fine with that, even knowing not everyone voted.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reddit has taken over "abandoned" subreddits in the past and replaced the moderation teams. By making this temporary, the moderators of topic-based subreddits can continue to organize their communities, including organized migration to new places like Discord.
Subs are not some abstract things where you just slap a new mod on and it's all fine. You may be abke to do this in extreme cases but there is no way this works for thousands of subs
Yeah, I do honestly think that that would be the only way this works. If the majority of mods were just like "yup, we'll shut it down and leave", forcing reddit to replace _large_ swaths of moderation, things could get ugly for them. As it is, as far as I have seen, very few subs are committing to being permanently closed, and Reddit will only boot mods from a _very_ small number of subs over a 2 day closure, so they don't have to find much replacement talent.
Right now, admins will probably replace a few dozens of mods, and then the rest of the site will be back in 2 days, and nothing will change.
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Not sure what the relation between YC and Reddit is these days, but wouldn't HN be in the prime position to take over? I feel all that is needed is to add sub-hn's. Reddit got Digg's business because Digg gambled away all of it's good will. That was a long time ago, Reddit since been going down the same path. Point is, all these companies are trying to monetize, generate profits, like they somehow responsible for the…
You'd need a bunch of dangs to mod every conceivable interest group, like soccer and German politics. You probably also want to make it a bit more modern, supporting images and video, or those subs won't come here. Plus scaling is not trivial. There's a gap between being the nerds' text-only board and the board for everything.
> You'd need a bunch of dangs to mod every conceivable interest group, like soccer and German politics.
People forget that reddit was popular and succeeded during the digg migration because it was pro free speech and minimally moderated. It was one of the reasons people migrated to reddit instead of here.
The first 10 years of reddit, the community and the company prided themselves on being a "free speech platform." It was explicitly stated on the reddit website.
The selling point of reddit back in the day was that it was not censored like HN! It's amazing how censorship created a pro-censorship mentality in just a few short years.