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Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by x86x87 »

dharmab wrote: post #66
candiddevmike wrote: post #28

What's the endgame here? Why even turn the subs back on? The admins have made their intentions clear enough, I think.

Reddit has taken over "abandoned" subreddits in the past and replaced the moderation teams. By making this temporary, the moderators of topic-based subreddits can continue to organize their communities, including organized migration to new places like Discord.

Subs are not some abstract things where you just slap a new mod on and it's all fine. You may be abke to do this in extreme cases but there is no way this works for thousands of subs

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by hinkley »

lobstrosity420 wrote: post #36
hinkley wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the new Reddit though?

I don’t think Reddit being replaced is as much of a given as everyone seems to think. People might simply get tired of the concept altogether. Nobody needs a vote based link aggregator thingy in their lives, and there is no shortage of social media in sight.

The hobby and craftsmanship forums are a lot less link farming. You can take or leave politics and current events I suppose, but something like discord or slack can’t sustain a conversation over hours or days. It gets flooded out by other conversations in four to twelve hours and then poof it’s gone.

And there’s also the “better moderation than YouTube comments” aspects. Whatever Reddit is or can be, it’s lot as toxic as YouTube. And better organized.

I think we want something more cooperative. Not Reddit centralization, not full fediverse. For some reason I’m thinking of the local farmer’s market, where sometimes the vendor has to run to the bathroom, and their neighbor keeps an eye on things, possibly even processing sales.

The thing with coops though is you need a way to tell if people are contributing fairly, and a process to deal with it, and I have no idea what that looks like. I don’t know if that’s because it could never work, or we still fully expect other things to work so no one has tried.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by x86x87 »

davewritescode wrote: post #97
candiddevmike wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What power? Reddit can just takeover the subs and turn them back on.

Yes but unless they’re well moderated they’ll turn to crap. There’s a lot of moderators out there moderating by hand and using bots to run some of the bigger subreddits, much like IRC. Without those bots having access to the APIs, that job gets harder and it’s less likely to be done well. Personally I think Steve Huffman is the fall guy here and this is coming from the money people who have zero interest in where Red…

Lol. What IPO? Do you think anyone is buying reddit stock after this clusterfuck?

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by drumhead »

The cheek of Reddits management is incredible. They've taken hundreds of millions in VC money hired an army of developers and yet delivered nothing to improve the user experience. All we seem to have have got out of is new reddit, a terrible, slow facebook like version of the site and an absolutely terrible mobile app. Where the hell did the money go? They use the time, labour, creativity, stories, humour, talent, wisdom, advice, skills of their users to try and make themselves billionaires whilst delivering a hopeless piece of tech in return, thats only been made useable by others people writing software to make the site bearable, Reddit Enhancement suite, Apollo, RIF. And yet here they are ready to make it rubbish again to get their filthy lucre. The more I think about it the more infuriated I get.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by School-Cotton »

Loveaway wrote: post #81
bstar77 wrote: post #21

Flashback to Digg.com... I hope the people currently in charge of Reddit know how that event played out... it was the single most significant stroke of luck a fledgling Reddit could have possibly hoped for.

Not sure what the relation between YC and Reddit is these days, but wouldn't HN be in the prime position to take over? I feel all that is needed is to add sub-hn's. Reddit got Digg's business because Digg gambled away all of it's good will. That was a long time ago, Reddit since been going down the same path. Point is, all these companies are trying to monetize, generate profits, like they somehow responsible for the…

I’d be really sad if HN turned into Reddit, tbh.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by foota »

0xr0kk3r wrote: post #99
ben_w wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And do they want to put in the same effort to curating those communities as the moderators there've just overruled? Communities can thrive or fail depending on who is in charge. (What happened with regard to the mod banning an artist because they thought their art looked like it came from an AI? Last I heard the artist was able to show their workflow but the mod was unwilling to back down…)

They'll just put the same effort in that Twitter does. Problem solved. No one has left twitter, despite Elon's tantrums. Do you really think CEOs care when their site has so much momentum and mods can be replaced in a snap?

Twitter and reddit are substantially different though.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by wpietri »

wilg wrote: post #90
bottlepalm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit wanted 2.50/month/app which is like $30 ARPU, Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US. The app they’re burning down Reddit over is already charging $1/month and was ready to sell out and shut down for $10 million. Correct me if I’m wrong, but we usually don’t give out API keys to allow users to wholesale reproduce, redistribute, resell our data for free.

> Reddit wanted 2.50/month/app which is like $30 ARPU And they couldn't figure out how to transition to it without causing a shitstorm.

I'd also point out it's not Reddit who wanted a $30 ARPU. It's a small number of Reddit execs and venture capitalists.

Reddit, by which I mean its vast user community, does not give a shit about ARPU as long as the site stays up and things get modestly better over time. And I've seen no evidence that Reddit needs a massive bump in revenue to meet those goals.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by lordnacho »

Loveaway wrote: post #81
bstar77 wrote: post #21

Flashback to Digg.com... I hope the people currently in charge of Reddit know how that event played out... it was the single most significant stroke of luck a fledgling Reddit could have possibly hoped for.

Not sure what the relation between YC and Reddit is these days, but wouldn't HN be in the prime position to take over? I feel all that is needed is to add sub-hn's. Reddit got Digg's business because Digg gambled away all of it's good will. That was a long time ago, Reddit since been going down the same path. Point is, all these companies are trying to monetize, generate profits, like they somehow responsible for the…

You'd need a bunch of dangs to mod every conceivable interest group, like soccer and German politics.

You probably also want to make it a bit more modern, supporting images and video, or those subs won't come here.

Plus scaling is not trivial. There's a gap between being the nerds' text-only board and the board for everything.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by joobus »

rany_ wrote: post #72
cm2012 wrote: post #58

Usually I am anti-internet stunts like this. The vast majority of boycotts are dumb wastes of time. That said, Reddit should have built better mod tools before making their api change. I think people complaining about not having 3rd party apps to browse reddit is "meh". But moderators need to be able to do their jobs.

Besides this boycott is at best useless, most are only going offline for 48 hours; it should be permanent until they reverse the decision if they were being sincere.

The third-party apps shutting down on July 1st will be the real test. If Reddit notices a significant drop in traffic on that day, they will probably start walking back the change. I agree that this boycott, while the intention is good, won't do much.
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