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Visual Studio '11' Announced

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Post by huhtenberg »

fryguy wrote: post #93
huhtenberg wrote: post #83

I might be an old fart (close to 20 years of Windows programming), but all I see is bloat. A compiler, a linker, a debugger. An editor with syntax highlighting, Ctrl-F and Ctrl-H. That's it, this is pretty much all that I ever use in VS. Even plausibly useful features like Intellisense and IDE macros end up being more of a hindrance than a help. What am I missing? What is there in the remaining 80% of VS that I am no…

Go to definition, Find all references, and variable rename are far superior to ctrl-f and ctrl-h because they operate on symbols rather than strings. When you highlight a variable and ctrl-f for it, you're going to find the 30 times the function is used (if it's even in the same file), whereas hitting f12 takes you right to the definition of it. Symbol renaming is much safer, since you don't have to worry about renam…

Thanks.

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Post by sixothree »

blackhole wrote: post #18

I'm sorry, but I use color to locate things. This, to me, is a disaster. If this isn't a problem for other people, fine, but it's a problem to me. A better solution would have been to use less color and desaturated tones rather than simply going to full on black and white, which serves only to rob the IDE of potential visual cues. This is like using a cannon to kill a bird. Just because they overcolorized VS2010 for…

Good or bad, I use color to navigate as well.

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Post by pilif »

Tangentially related: even in the redesign they manage to represent the save action using a floppy disk of all things.

I wonder whether that is ever going to change as people forget what floppys were or whether this will just be the canonical icon for save even far into the future when nobody will really know that the icon does indeed have its roots in a long forgotten real-world object.

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Post by georgieporgie »

MartinCron wrote: post #35
bwarp wrote: post #12

Sure it looks all pretty, but have they made it faster and more reliable? VS2010 is just damn slow and falls over on me at least 2-3 times a day which is not acceptable. When you pay for 25 VS2010 premium licenses with MSDN on top of your gold partner allowance, you expect it to work.

VS2010 is just damn slow and falls over on me at least 2-3 times a day which is not acceptable. Non-aggressive suggestion: think you've got something screwy with your system, I've had VS Fall over on my 2-3 times in the last several years of heavy use. It doesn't have to be that unstable. Also, with an SSD and enough RAM, I don't feel like I'm ever waiting on VS anymore.

I do C++ work. VS2010 is so slow and crashes so often for me that I abandoned it (and, sadly, its limited C++0x support) for VS2008. This is on a Core2Duo, 8G RAM, a hybrid hard drive, and accelerated graphics.

I was pretty happy with VS2008 until the other day, when I found that I can reliably crash it by opening a particular XML file. sigh

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Post by marshray »

AshleysBrain wrote: post #59

Developers beware: Visual C++ 11 cannot compile executables that work on Windows XP at all: https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/... C++ devs may want to skip this release and just go for Visual C++ 12 when it's out, since by then hopefully XP will be ignorable.

OMG that's insane.

Well, our Windows builds may just have to move from 2005 to 2010 and plan to be stuck there for the forseeable future.

I was hoping I could use a C++11 compiler for Windows development someday. But it's probably more likely that I'll stop developing for Windows before my company's customers stop running XP.

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Post by marshray »

AshleysBrain wrote: post #76
RandallBrown wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm afraid XP won't be ignorable for another 3 or 4 years at least.

According to: http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201101-201201 XP dropped 14% in the last year, and is now on 34%. So a really dumb calculation says about 2 and a half years if that keeps up, but I guess there will be a longer tail of die-hard users... hard to tell, since it's pretty unprecedented for a particular version of a major OS to be so popular for so long.

So I guess in 2 or 3 years not supporting XP will only cost you 50 to 100 million potential users.

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Post by marshray »

huhtenberg wrote: post #82
yarone wrote: post #80

Still using a floppy disk to represent "save". Wondering when will this end...

But what would you replace it with that is equally easy to recognize?

How about a picture of the inside of a magnetic media hard drive, complete with platters and heads. Or maybe just an icon of a bare 3.5" drive unit.

http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/img/librewriter.jpg

Everyone should be able to relate to that, right? :-)

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Post by brusch »

blackhole wrote: post #18

I'm sorry, but I use color to locate things. This, to me, is a disaster. If this isn't a problem for other people, fine, but it's a problem to me. A better solution would have been to use less color and desaturated tones rather than simply going to full on black and white, which serves only to rob the IDE of potential visual cues. This is like using a cannon to kill a bird. Just because they overcolorized VS2010 for…

I am really no person who digs colourful designs - but these screenshots look just depressing for me. I never knew how much I liked those old icons.

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Post by duuude »

AshleysBrain wrote: post #59

Developers beware: Visual C++ 11 cannot compile executables that work on Windows XP at all: https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/... C++ devs may want to skip this release and just go for Visual C++ 12 when it's out, since by then hopefully XP will be ignorable.

Some people might consider that a feature.
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