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Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Yea it also ignores that if everybody stopped riding the $100 train then you’d never actually be able to drive into the city, let alone park anywhere for under $100. Also, this is a deliberate choice. They can improve train services and lower costs. Idk why people who ostensibly are market oriented are so fixated on current prices and assuming they can’t change or be improved upon. Germany is an example $49 for a tic…

Yeah, everyone also ignores that public transport can be supported through taxes and operated at a loss. In the US, we have a weird obsession with all public goods/services paying for themselves. We should ditch that, operate at a loss, and pull the difference out of progressive taxes. There's no reason your CEO or office shouldn't foot part of the bill to transport you into work. Heck, were I king I'd fund public tr…

> There's no reason your CEO or office shouldn't foot part of the bill to transport you into work.

This is how it works in the Netherlands. Transportation to and from work is required to be paid by the employer, and importantly, the employee gets to decide how they commute.

If I want to take the train from the other side of the country everyday, my employer needs to foot the bill. With a subscription, this is around €350/month for a 2nd class ticket. If I want to drive, the company must pay the kilometer rate set by the government.

To help control costs, some employers may offer company cars to employees, but in my experience it is mostly used as an employment benefit and a tax write-off. Both parties save on the tax burden while the employee also gets access to cheap and reliable transportation.

If the US implemented a requirement to reimburse employees for their travel to and from work, the amount of public infrastructure would explode.

The average commute is about 20 miles; 40 x 40 cents = $16/day (there and back). $80/week or $320 per month for an employee that lives, on average, pretty close to where they work.

A unlimited pass for the Dallas TX public transit system is $192/mo. So an employer could save 50% of the transportation costs by encouraging employees to ride the light-rail and the bus.

Unfortunately, we all know that there's a lot more that goes into incentivizing people to use public transportation. Walkable destinations, sidewalks, mixed zoning, etc etc all play into the decision, but if 3000 people are lining up to outside the same bus stop every day, some business is going to open up nearby to take advantage of the increased foot traffic.

To bring this back around, forcing employers to pay for transportation is a good way to incentivize public transit by making the companies goals in line with that of the municipality. If the city has better public transportation infrastructure, everybody wins!

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Motorcycles should be charged according to the decibel volume of their engine.

I’m extraordinarily noise sensitive and I find this appealing for emotional reasons. But I don’t think it’s good policy nonetheless. IME motorcycle drivers are generally among the most respectful about the noise they make, relative to all drivers of all vehicle types. They scoot through and move on. I’d definitely like to charge drivers for their relative noise impact, but I’d start with the recreational sports car d…

> IME motorcycle drivers are generally among the most respectful about the noise they make, relative to all drivers of all vehicle types.

I don't think we live in similar countries. In the US an astonishing percentage of motorcycles are illegally modified to be louder. In NYC there are four loud vehicles, the Lamborghini Aventador, Nissan GTR, the Dodge Challenger Hellcat, and motorcycles. Of these only GTRs behave more obnoxiously than motorcycles (though Hellcat drivers are in close competition). In NYC they like to coast down the street in groups revving their engines, they especially seem to love triggering car alarms.

On the other hand in Asia I've never seen this behavior from motorcycles.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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The last time I drove into downtown Manhattan, just inches form the bridge, I was immediately pulled over by NYPD and given an excessive $150 ticket for the window tints on my car. I demonstrated to the officer that Range Rover made them that way from the factory *limo tint" and that it was legal in my home state, but they had shown that they apparently have always had the inclination to pull people over for bogus mi…

I for one am glad they are enforcing the law. Highly tinted windows obstruct the important communication of being able to make eye contact with the driver. It’s important for other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. I’m not sure why your home states laws matter when you were driving in NY?

I found this about US car window tinting rules:

https://windowtintlaws.us/crossing-state-lines-with-tinted-w...

    CAN YOU GET PULLED OVER FOR WINDOW TINT IN ANOTHER STATE?  The short answer is yes, you can be pulled over by state vehicles or law enforcement for window tint violations that go against state tint laws.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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See also: London congestion charge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_congestion_charge Singapore Electronic Road Pricing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Road_Pricing Stockholm congestion tax: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_congestion_tax

It's worth mentioning that London has three types of road user fees: - Congestion charge, which applies to everyone, except residents, driving in the centre of London during weekdays - Low Emissions Zone charge, which applies to everyone driving a vehicles older than emissions class Euro 5 (2009) inside nearly all of London - Ultra Low Emissions Zone charge, which applies to everyone driving a vehicle older than emis…

Your last paragraph is overstated... by a lot.

About late fees, I found this: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/paying-th...

    The daily charge is £15 if you pay in advance or on the same day, or £17.50 by midnight of the third day after travel. If you don't pay by midnight on the third day after travel in the zone, you will receive a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).
And a PCN: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/penalty-charge-n...

    If your vehicle is involved in a contravention on the red route, you'll be sent a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) for £160. You need to pay this within 28 days.  If you pay this within 14 or 21 days (it will say on the PCN), the amount will be reduced to £80.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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I've heard an argument that schools are supposed to pay for themselves. The idea is that people who go to school end up in a higher tax bracket, so it's an investment, not merely public good. Similar arguments are made for parks and recreation; more open space, less noise, so less stress-induced heart attacks, which means more years being a taxpayer. I think this is a toxic way of thinking of things, but I guess it a…

But then you can make the same argument about transit. It facilitates people coming into the city to engage in taxable activities.

Exactly— that's a "diffuse" benefit, and indeed the same logic that most of the world also applies to healthcare, though introducing that to a US-centric discussion just muddies the waters, for obvious reasons.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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I am curious whether you actually live in NYC. In the parts of the city this article is talking about, there's no free parking during busy times. Those lanes are reserved for either special parking situations (teachers, police), business (loading/unloading trucks, taxi stands) or turn into driving lanes. It happens that on Sundays and evenings, that capacity isn't needed and is given over to parking. 30 years in NYC,…

Price per square foot in Manhattan, a parking spot is a steal.

I am not sure what you are comparing to what here.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Yes, but it’s complicated by the fact that a lot of infrastructure funding is done at the federal level, which should in principle care about people in NY and NJ equally.

We aren’t talking about infrastructure in general though, we are talking about a relatively small area in Manhattan.

At least one of the entry points to that relatively small area is a border crossing between NJ and NY, so I think even if the feds don’t own the infrastructure involved (IDK if they do or not), they at least had to sign off on it.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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MTA costs make the Boston Big Dig look like a bargain, even at $22 billion. I'm convinced, if they contract this out to first-tier construction firms from oversea that specialize in underground infrastructure (e.g. Europe, Japan, Korea), they can get the job done at 1/3rd the cost.

Even in Düsseldorf, building an entire new subway tunnel for several lines through downtown was about a billion euros. Hamburg's new Hafencity lime was in a similar price range, and the new U5 will be as well. New York for some reason is spending 10× that.

That's because NY is one of the most corrupt places on earth. 9/10 goes to pockets of politicians, unions, special interest groups, and their progressive pals.

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Wow. So much negativity. As far as I’m concerned, even if the city burns every dollar it collects, if this gets some cars off the island, it’s a win. It’s time to stop tolerating personal vehicles in our most dense urban centers.

Yea, trains can deliver the food to our stores in downtown! Or people can carry the pallets of food... Progress!

Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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A big proportion of the opposition is coming from New Jersey where former Governor Chris Christie systematically diverted public transit funding to constructing more roads leaving NJ Transit with a maintenance backlog, inadequate infrastructure and unhappy workers who were poached by the MTA. This resulted in a mismatch where the infrastructure is designed to favor driving on one side of the river and a fee designed…

There's more reason for NJ residents to take issue with this. In central jersey, it costs at least $20/person for a round trip ticket. If you go with your family or a group of friends filling a 5 seat car, the train costs $100 just to get into the city and then get hit with whatever additional costs you have for the next few subway rides. Gas, parking, and carpool bridge/tunnel toll prices don't add up to anywhere ne…

I live in NJ and in work downtown Manhattan. No one is commuting by car into downtown Manhattan. The rich take a helicopter. PATH is $5 per person roundtrip without discount. The only people (with enough time on their hands) going to that area by car are tourists, party goers, and college students. For businesses (e.g. trucks) the toll cost will be minimal.
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