Fatalities, 736 crashes: The shocking toll of Tesla’s Autopilot • Hacker News Board

Re: Fatalities, 736 crashes: The shocking toll of Tesla’s Autopilot

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Post by iudqnolq » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 6:13 AM UTC

golol wrote: post #2

I despise whoever wrote this article. It is almost completely devoid of any real information. Trying to gain an understanding of the situation based on the on the information presented here (Total crash and fatality numbers all time and last year, motorcycle numbers too) is impossible. If you want to talk about this subject, find the following data: Crash RATES of humans autopilot as well as other driver assistance s…

As long as Tesla keeps the real data secret it's reasonable for us to speculate. And it's reasonable to infer there's a reason they won't disclose it.

> It is unclear which of the systems was in use in the fatal crashes: Tesla has asked NHTSA not to disclose that information. In the section of the NHTSA data specifying the software version, Tesla’s incidents read — in all capital letters — “redacted, may contain confidential business information.”

Re: Fatalities, 736 crashes: The shocking toll of Tesla’s Autopilot

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Post by scotty79 » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 7:53 AM UTC

aaomidi wrote: post #19

wilg wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worrying about it being a “beta” is nonsensical. It’s a hands-on driver-assistance system available to the general public and its safety should be evaluated thusly. The word “beta” is meaningless from a safety perspective and is essentially just advertising that the system’s ultimate goal is to be driverless. Also, we don’t use affirmative consent for vehicle regulations, because that’s silly. Instead, you are able t…

Something like this should be up for a referendum. We have seriously a lot more major and pressing problems. No one is picking and choosing representatives based on how they feel about beta testing software with the general public. Anyway, I wouldn’t be surprised if the NHTSA rightfully bans large scale operations of this software until overwhelming evidence of it being “safer than humans” have been given. This also…

> Something like this should be up for a referendum.

That would only increase the cost of achieving agreement by necessitating the purchase of adverts before referendum. It was sold as miraculous. People bought into something they were told is miraculous. They would surely slso vote for the miraculous thing to be allowed.

Re: Fatalities, 736 crashes: The shocking toll of Tesla’s Autopilot

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Post by taskforcegemini » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 11:28 AM UTC

wilg wrote: post #14

heavyset_go wrote: post #3

> Former NHTSA senior safety adviser Missy Cummings, a professor at George Mason University’s College of Engineering and Computing, said the surge in Tesla crashes is troubling. > “Tesla is having more severe — and fatal — crashes than people in a normal data set,” she said in response to the figures analyzed by The Post. One likely cause, she said, is the expanded rollout over the past year and a half of Full Self-D…

Worrying about it being a “beta” is nonsensical. It’s a hands-on driver-assistance system available to the general public and its safety should be evaluated thusly. The word “beta” is meaningless from a safety perspective and is essentially just advertising that the system’s ultimate goal is to be driverless. Also, we don’t use affirmative consent for vehicle regulations, because that’s silly. Instead, you are able t…

beta means it's not yet ready for production, and the question is why this beta grade software is being used in production (on street with real people vs only in development environments) where it time and time again hurts and kills people. there is numerous people on hn saying that driving assistance almost killed them but they reacted in time. I don't see if/how those instances could be reported, but obviosly the failure rates could therefore be a lot higher.

high beam assistance should be an easy problem to solve compared to full self driving, yet I turn it off because it's not good enough/blinds oncoming traffic.

imho there should be estrictions to only specific areas/roads for testing, or fsd cars should only be allowed at much lower speed limits.